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12-09-2006, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 23Skidoo
Since 2003, there have been a total of 5 midmajor teams in the final top-16.
(2006 BSU, 2005 TCU, 2004 Utah/BSU/UL)
I don't think the midmajors would ever agree to those kind of odds. Unless you were going to use conference champs? (You didn't specify, so I'm kind of at a loss)
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The Mid majors don't really have a say. How many of those teams could have actually won the NC? I say zero, and thats why more of them aren't invited. The payoff is good but the quality suffers. |
12-09-2006, 02:53 PM
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If you had a playoff, both OSU and scUM would have had spots locked up going into The Game on 11/18. If your ok with the idea of one or both teams resting starters or feeling The Game was important but the playoffs are bigger so whatever happens happens... then you are a playoff proponent.
If you are not ok with the diminishment of The game or any regular season game then you are not a proponent of a playoff system.
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A homefield advantage/first round bye/seeding system ala the NFL would help some but there would still be a diminishment. Regular season conference championships would mean about as much as they do in Bball for starters.
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I disagree a bit here. If the playoffs were limited to the 6 BCS conference champs and 2 at-large teams conference titles would be very important. With Notre Dame in the mix and the potential non-BCS upstart (Boise State) BCS schools would have to go all out for the conference crown. Relying on an at-large bid would be very risky.
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12-09-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BucyrusBuckeye
The Mid majors don't really have a say. How many of those teams could have actually won the NC? I say zero, and thats why more of them aren't invited. The payoff is good but the quality suffers.
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They most certainly have a say. All 100+ D1A schools and conferences have a say. They are all member institutions. Your claim is flat out wrong...
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12-09-2006, 02:55 PM
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They most certainly have a say. All 100+ D1A teams and conferences have a say. They are all member institutions. Your claim is flat out wrong...
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OK they have a say , it just doesn't mean anything. The big schools still control it.
Or should I say that they can have their say at bargaining time but when it comes down to it they have no deciding vote.
The big schools are not about to give up millions of dollars to create more competition for their money. |
12-09-2006, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BucyrusBuckeye
The Mid majors don't really have a say. How many of those teams could have actually won the NC? I say zero, and thats why more of them aren't invited. The payoff is good but the quality suffers.
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But that's just it... the midmajors DO have a say. Their presidents have to agree to any playoff deal. If the BCS conferences were to cut their own deal, completely separate of the midmajors, congress would likely get involved -- again. And lawsuits would probably spring up as well. And the BCS conferences have it pretty good right now as well -- I don't think they'd risk all of that for a playoff.
I wasn't trying to say the midmajors would have a shot, just pointing out that even in a 16-team playoff, they're likely to be left out in the cold. And thus not only would they never agree to it, but they'd fight it all the way. |
12-09-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BucyrusBuckeye
OK they have a say , it just doesn't mean anything. The big schools still control it.
Or should I say that they can have their say at bargaining time but when it comes down to it they have no deciding vote.
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This isn't the UN. There isn't a Security Council of big schools vetoing the little ones. As I've repeatedly stated, the US Congress was going to break up the BCS monopoloy just a few years ago before the expansion. That's what precipitated the expansion in the first place. What so many of these playoff proposals do is put it right back to that monopoly situation. Those ideas will never be implemented, period...
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12-09-2006, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BucyrusBuckeye
OK they have a say , it just doesn't mean anything. The big schools still control it.
Or should I say that they can have their say at bargaining time but when it comes down to it they have no deciding vote.
The big schools are not about to give up millions of dollars to create more competition for their money.
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Doesn't mean anything? The title game was added for one reason only: To allow for two more teams to earn BCS spots and therefore, open up a bigger chance for mid-majors to make it. The BCS also has been tweaking its rules to allow mid-majors a better shot. It's why Boise State is a BCS team and West Virginia or Virginia Tech is not. Guaranteed, if the mid-majors hadn't fought for some kind of automatic qualifier for themselves, a big-time school that has more fans and garners more TV ratings would have been invited instead. You better believe the mid-majors have the ear of the big boys. |
12-09-2006, 03:13 PM
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when the Bcs left the ncaa the conferences who formed the BCS took control of football away from the ncaa as far as marketing goes. the non BCS schools were left out, so to speak. After much complaining and threats of suites and congressional action they expanded to allay the concerns of the mids and congress. They didn't give away their control of college football.
Yes they make concessions as they are forced to but if you believe for one instatnt that the BCS doesn't control everything. you need to think again. they will not allow a playoff, because of money.
P.S. The ncaa wasn't very happy when the conferences left to form the BCS
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