Dennis Dodd (Merged)

[LightningRod]

Originally Posted by Magua

Hey Stretch Armstrong, I mean Lightning Rod, give it a rest man. Im no fan of Dodd either but lets not lose our marbles. Its 10:30pm est, the sun has gone down, take off the scarlet tinted glasses...not everyones out to get us.

Please show me where I said everybody is out to get OSU. Plain and simple Dodd crossed the line. Sorry you have a hard time seeing that.

[sandgk]

I, for one, found the second article well written and moving.
That said --
I think if anyone were to send money - it should be postmarked via a PO Box near the Auburn campus.

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Originally Posted by LightningRod

Yes, it is fairly obvious that he is soliciting people to send anonymous donations to Juan's family knowing full well some Buckeye fans will do just that and knowing full well that it will violate NCAA by-laws. But hey, since we all know what his intentions are, then his next intention is to scold OSU fans for skirting NCAA rules and calling for a housecleaning just as he did when O'Brien gave a foreigner $6K to help his family out in a war ravaged Bosnia.

LOL.

Again, he made it very clear who should and shouldn't thoughout the article and you want to hold onto the last portion about the "anonymous". You keep doing that.

At best he just took the lock off a gate that still has a huge "DO NOT ENTER" sign. In other words, the people know what is right and what is wrong. If they decide to do something wrong you cannot hold Dodd responsible.

[LightningRod]

Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4Life

At best he just took the lock off a gate that still has a huge "DO NOT ENTER" sign. In other words, the people know what is right and what is wrong. If they decide to do something wrong you cannot hold Dodd responsible.

Again, what a nice guy Dodd is playing with the house's money. Last time I checked OSU remains on NCAA probation for a violation similar to the action Dodd is now advocating. Let's see how this plays out. Like you, I also know Dodd's intent which was to solicit money for Juan's family in contravention of NCAA rules with no regard to the impact his great advice could have on the other athletes on the Buckeye football team.

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Originally Posted by LightningRod

Again, what a nice guy Dodd is playing with the house's money. Last time I checked OSU remains on NCAA probation for a violation similar to the action Dodd is now advocating. Let's see how this plays out. Like you, I also know Dodd's intent which was to solicit money for Juan's family in contravention of NCAA rules with no regard to the impact his great advice could have on the other athletes on the Buckeye football team.

Last I checked he isn't responsible for Ohio State being on probation.

You also have no idea what regard he gave to the impact this would have. Actually him stating over and over how this would be an NCAA violation if the wrong people did it puts a fault in your arguement of the opposite.

[LightningRod]

Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4Life

Last I checked he isn't responsible for Ohio State being on probation.

You also have no idea what regard he gave to the impact this would have. Actually him stating over and over how this would be an NCAA violation if the wrong people did it puts a fault in your arguement of the opposite.

I understand he isn't responsible for OSU being on probation just as he would not become responsible should OSU suffer from his idiotic suggestion to send funds anonymously to Juan's family. That is what is known as playing with the house's money. Dodd doesn't lose. What a nice guy.

As far as me having no idea what regard he gave to the impact this would have, like you, I know what his intentions were when he wrote this piece and I know what regard he gave to the impact his advice would have. He could care less. As far as his recognition that providing gifts to the family would violate NCAA rules, he makes his intentions known when he writes

That doesn't preclude a group of industrious college football fans from getting Yamileth's address on their own. Believe me, it's not that hard. What's to keep them from making an anonymous donation?

In this case, human decency should trump an NCAA bylaw.

Again, what a nice guy. He will not be the person assigned to clean up the mess. That pretty much sums up the deference he gave to the impact his advice could have on the Buckeye athletic program.

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Originally Posted by LightningRod

I understand he isn't responsible for OSU being on probation just as he would not become responsible should OSU suffer from his idiotic suggestion to send funds anonymously to Juan's family. That is what is known as playing with the house's money. Dodd doesn't lose. What a nice guy.

As far as me having no idea what regard he gave to the impact this would have, like you, I know what his intentions were when he wrote this piece and I know what regard he gave to the impact his advice would have. He could care less. As far as his recognition that providing gifts to the family would violate NCAA rules, he makes his intentions known when he writes

Again, what a nice guy. He will not be the person assigned to clean up the mess. That pretty much sums up the deference he gave to the impact his advice could have on the Buckeye athletic program.

My God this has gotten ridiculous.

He is trying to help a family. You are right. He probably doesn't care if someone decides to break a rule to do so, and he shouldn't. That isn't his problem, and if the person is dumb enough, after repeated warnings, to do so then so be it.

It's plain to see that he was trying to show how flawed the NCAA system was AND help Juan's family in the same article.......VERY plain to see.

[Magua]

If Rod is so paranoid when it comes to Dodd and his actions/words regarding OSU, to not realize that the point of that article is to bash the NCAA for its strict rules and their stubbornness to help student athletes that could really use some help.

[matcar]

Originally Posted by LightningRod

I understand he isn't responsible for OSU being on probation just as he would not become responsible should OSU suffer from his idiotic suggestion to send funds anonymously to Juan's family. That is what is known as playing with the house's money. Dodd doesn't lose. What a nice guy.

As far as me having no idea what regard he gave to the impact this would have, like you, I know what his intentions were when he wrote this piece and I know what regard he gave to the impact his advice would have. He could care less. As far as his recognition that providing gifts to the family would violate NCAA rules, he makes his intentions known when he writes

Again, what a nice guy. He will not be the person assigned to clean up the mess. That pretty much sums up the deference he gave to the impact his advice could have on the Buckeye athletic program.

This issue (THE REAL ONE ABOUT THE NCAA REGULATIONS BEING RIDICULOUS) has been a very hot topic of late, especially after they made the rare move to allow support for Ray Ray last year. There's no hidden agenda here other than to continue to rail against the NCAAs regs. He's using Juan's story to that end. Meanwhile you have some conspiracy theory that he's soliciting help for Juan...what a joke. If we WANTED to do that, he could have done so easily without this "open letter". Again, what a joke.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4Life

He is trying to help a family.

Dodd is not trying to destroy the OSU athletic department, but he's certainly no philanthropist here either. He's using Garnier's story to write a story criticizing the NCAA and once again prove just how smart and reasonable Dennis Dodd is. This is not about OSU or Juan Garnier, it's about Dodd.

[matcar]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

Dodd is not trying to destroy the OSU athletic department, but he's certainly no philanthropist here either. He's using Garnier's story to write a story criticizing the NCAA and once again prove just how smart and reasonable Dennis Dodd is. This is not about OSU or Juan Garnier, it's about Dodd.

Agreed, and it's about the NCAAs regs. Thank you.

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

Dodd is not trying to destroy the OSU athletic department, but he's certainly no philanthropist here either. He's using Garnier's story to write a story criticizing the NCAA and once again prove just how smart and reasonable Dennis Dodd is. This is not about OSU or Juan Garnier, it's about Dodd.

I stated in the post that it's about the NCAA, but I personally think that he wants to help Juan as well.

[LightningRod]

Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4Life

I stated in the post that it's about the NCAA, but I personally think that he wants to help Juan as well.

If he personally wants to help Juan, then let him reach into his own pocket. Dodd wasn't to concerned about O'Brien trying to help the family of a foreigner who was never going to play ball in the USA. No paranoid here at all. If Juan was presently enrolled at Miami (FL) my position would be the same. If it happened at Miami (FL) chances are it would not be a topic of discussion on this website. The topic is here because it does impact OSU and its football program.

If Dodd desires to attack NCAA regs, go for it. However, when he encourages others to take actions that can place ANY university's athletic program in trouble, that is where he crossed the line.

[matcar]

Originally Posted by LightningRod

If he personally wants to help Juan, then let him reach into his own pocket. Dodd wasn't to concerned about O'Brien trying to help the family of a foreigner who was never going to play ball in the USA. No paranoid here at all. If Juan was presently enrolled at Miami (FL) my position would be the same. If it happened at Miami (FL) chances are it would not be a topic of discussion on this website. The topic is here because it does impact OSU and its football program.

If Dodd desires to attack NCAA regs, go for it. However, when he encourages others to take actions that can place ANY university's athletic program in trouble, that is where he crossed the line.

We can agree to disagree since he has clearly stated multiple times it's against any rules to do it. He's just using a good story to make an article/statement. If you want to use this to rail against Dodd yet again, then that's your choice.

[LightningRod]

Originally Posted by matcar

This issue (THE REAL ONE ABOUT THE NCAA REGULATIONS BEING RIDICULOUS) has been a very hot topic of late, especially after they made the rare move to allow support for Ray Ray last year. There's no hidden agenda here other than to continue to rail against the NCAAs regs. He's using Juan's story to that end. Meanwhile you have some conspiracy theory that he's soliciting help for Juan...what a joke. If we WANTED to do that, he could have done so easily without this "open letter". Again, what a joke.

Clemson's administration had no problems advancing Ray Ray's cause to the NCAA. The NCAA has provisions in place that permit member institutions to financially assist athletes who are are facing financial hardships. These are the same provisions that could have kept Troy out of trouble. They have been in place for quite some time, and institutions have used them in the past. OSU has in the past used these same provisions to obtain financial relief for its athletes and/or their family members. Nader Abdallah and his family benefit from these "Ray Ray" provisions.

Now here comes Dodd with his special interest story. I don't recall Dodd mentioning if Juan had attempted to advance his cause through NCAA channels. The NCAA responds quickly to these types of matters. The NCAA ruled on Ray Rays situation in a timely manner, and it also granted relief for Nader's family in a timely manner. So what's the big deal now about using these NCAA procedures put in place for situations like the one described by Dodd?

Yes, a portion of Dodd's article was devoted to banging on the "NCAA bylaws are crazy" drum just as many other people have done in the past and will do in the future. Dodd should have stopped there but instead took it upon himself to encourage people to mail donations to Juan's mother in Boston knowing full well that this can create problems not only for OSU but for any school that Juan may transfer into. This is where he crossed the line. This needlessly places any university's compliance department between a rock and a hard place.