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04-23-2008, 09:15 PM
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I broke my bank, again!
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I wonder if slaves got paid the value of their indenture if they were ever to be kicked off the plantation? Given RR's lawyer's recent comments, it must be so.
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04-23-2008, 09:36 PM
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You know....I wouldn't put it past him to think that the buyout meant he got the $2million, so he wanted to raise it to $4.
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Have you ever heard of a slave being paid to gain their freedom? That would be unusual. |
04-23-2008, 09:37 PM
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I wonder if slaves got paid the value of their indenture if they were ever to be kicked off the plantation? Given RR's lawyer's recent comments, it must be so.
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didn't see your post BuckeyeBill...same train of thought |
04-24-2008, 05:19 AM
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An excerpt from that article:
3. Charlie Weis, Notre Dame. From the "If I knew I could get paid this much to fail, I'd be a billionaire" file: The architect of three Super Bowl-winning offenses under Bill Belichick, Weis famously took over his alma mater in '05 and was hailed as a messianic figure second only to Touchdown Jesus. Halfway into Weis' first season (in which the Fighting Irish finished 9-3), Notre Dame signed him to an enormous extension that runs through 2015. Last season, his team hit rock bottom: a 3-9 record, including being shut out twice and losing to Navy for the first time in 43 years.
Creep factor: 7
2. Rich Rodriguez, University of Michigan. There are messy divorces, and then there's the Rodriguez saga. After repeatedly claiming he wouldn't leave the Mountaineers, the West Virginia native agreed in December to become Lloyd Carr's successor at Michigan for a reported six-year, $15 million deal. Since Rodriguez left for Ann Arbor, WVU has filed suit against him, claiming breach of contract, and the university has also alleged recruiting and player files disappeared from his former office in Morgantown.
Creep factor: 8
1. Nick Saban, University of Alabama. Really, is there any coach on the planet who's better at this game? No one questions Saban's coaching credentials; the guy has turned every college program he's touched into a winner. Still, he's rubbed countless fans, players and trustees the wrong way during his head coaching stops at Toledo, Michigan State and LSU, then killed much of his credibility by adamantly denying he wasn't in the running for the Alabama job during his lackluster stint with the Miami Dolphins. Two weeks later, he was Mike Shula's replacement in Tuscaloosa with an eight-year, $32 million contract that made him the best-paid in college football.
Creep factor: 10
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04-26-2008, 01:48 PM
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When did ignorance become a point of view?
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What else would you expect Carr to say (he is still a Michigan Man)?
KIRTHMON F. DOZIER/Detroit Free Press
Chat with Lloyd Carr Part 1: Ex-U-M coach 'very, very confident' Rich Rodriguez will do 'great'
Former Michigan coach Lloyd Carr joined Bill Simonson on "The Huge Show" on Sunday to talk about retirement life, his coaching career. Part 1 of the highlights:
On Rich Rodriguez and the future of Michigan football:
Rich and I have had a very good relationship he has made it clear that I am welcome anytime I want to come over. And what I have told him is that I?m there if he needs me but I was not over for any of the practices in the spring because I don?t want to be a presence there, so I can?t tell you much about spring practice.
But I think the position as the head football coach, when you understand the tradition with Fielding Yost and Fritz Crisler, Bo Schembechler, you?re looking for a special guy. When that opening came, everybody here from president (Mary Sue) Coleman down understood the significance of that choice. And I?m very, very confident that Rich has all the abilities to fill that position and do a great job as a head coach and I think he will do that.
On if it was a surprise that Rich was available to come to Michigan from West Virginia:
I think (athletic director Bill Martin) ? the spread offense, offensively the style of play was something that he liked. If you look at Rich?s record at West Virginia, and despite being a head football coach for fifteen years, he?s a young guy. He?s going to coach for a long time. He is in the forefront of offensive football and I think it made a lot of sense.
On retirement:
There is a little bit more time as far as your family and an opportunity to reacquaint with some people who are very close. Coaching is such an intense life. You come right off a bowl game, you recruit for five weeks, you get ready for spring ball, then you go spring recruit again. I?m looking forward to doing some things that I didn?t have a chance to do when I was coaching. Its also the kind of life that takes awhile to adjust to. What I miss the most is the relationship with the players, coaches and people in the program.
I?ve got quite a number of grandchildren, most of them are living here within the community or at least within an hour?s drive. I?m certainly going to be able to do some things and watch some soccer games and little league baseball games and do those things there wasn?t time for before. I look forward to that. I think every coach is a little bit different. I think the real difference is they get jobs when they?re very young. In my case, I was 50 when I became the head coach at Michigan so my children were grown but I was in the beginning of having some grandchildren. It?s the just the nature of college coaching. I have to do some things with my grandchildren I missed out on.
On deciding when to leave:
Entire article: Chat with Lloyd Carr Part 1: Ex-U-M coach 'very, very confident' Rich Rodriguez will do 'great' | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
Waiting opn Part 2.
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04-28-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HailToMichigan
Well, I'll tell you why that is, though it's probably more a post for the RR thread. We already did our program-soul-searching before Carr left and we knew what we wanted in a new coach when it came time. We wanted a proven coach that's had success in his previous jobs; one who would change the country-club atmosphere around the team and get rid of the general feeling of complacency and whip guys into shape; one who could recruit well; one who did not bring with him the cloud of recruiting and academic scandal; and one who would tilt the OSU game back in our favor. On all of the above: check, check, check, and check, and now we wait on see on the last one. We got what we wanted, and how spoiled and disingenuous would we sound if we then said, "Oh, but wait, we want him to make sure every last kid from last year stays on the team by not yelling too much, and we want him to make a perfectly clean amicable break from his previous job too." If the lesson to be learned here is caveat emptor, or else maybe "you get what you ask for" then so be it. We got what we wanted. What do we do now - try and get RR fired? Maybe RR is "at fault", but since this is the program we asked for, we want players who want to play in it. If we hadn't demanded such a program then it would be easier to point fingers at the coach - however, the coach deserves a little longer than a three month grace period. A trend of players leaving citing family values - that would give us (me) cause to think. One player doesn't make a trend.
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ya know, you used a lot of words to describe what you were looking for in a coach. though i did note you didn't use anything remotely close to the terms "integrity" "honor" or "tradition". in fact, if it didn't involve "winning" it obviously wasn't part of the criteria. as someone who is first and formost a teacher, that concerns me. yes, your very likely going to see an end to the country club atmosphere. and yes, your going to very likely see your players in peak physical condition. but i have to wonder if you will be happy with the manner in which it is accomplished.
while its possible boren is a whinny tubby lazy spot light craving punk kid. i have to think that if you truly believed that you'd be damn happy to be rid of such a parasite. being heavy 1 schollie would be icing on the cake.
but your not happy he's leaving, your damn right beside yourself pissed. thats why i don't believe your angry with boren. oh im positive that your deeply disappointed in him for leaving and more-so for him going to your nemesis. i know i would be. but that doesn't seem to be what is really eating at you. after all the alleged impropriety and assumed scandal, im thinking tucked deep down in the back of your mind that little voice saying "what if their right" is getting louder. your starting to wonder more and more seriously if this guy is the anti-lloyd in all the wrong ways. while your nowhere near the "dear god what have we done" stage, for the first time in all of this mess your starting to realize that is a real possibility here. that my friend, is what is upsetting you. boren has become the focus of the rage because he's convenient.
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04-28-2008, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by martinss01
ya know, you used a lot of words to describe what you were looking for in a coach. though i did note you didn't use anything remotely close to the terms "integrity" "honor" or "tradition". in fact, if it didn't involve "winning" it obviously wasn't part of the criteria.
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Winning is the tradition. There's a bunch of other stuff too, but RR is not going to replace the winged helmets or shrink the stadium by 20,000 seats.
Integrity and honor, I would have thought, go hand in hand with that whole "no scandal" business.
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while its possible boren is a whinny tubby lazy spot light craving punk kid. i have to think that if you truly believed that you'd be damn happy to be rid of such a parasite.
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If I truly believed it I'd have said so.
I appreciate your efforts at a free psychology session, but I am not projecting my anger at RR onto the departed player. I think I have two very legit reasons to be disappointed at the choices the player made, both of which I've sta | |
