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OK, y'all won't like this, but I think that DW is not a bad coach. In fact, I think he is a very good coach. Tulane had a 12-0 season because of Rodriguez, and the joke that is Bowden's boy rode the richrod offense to the Clemson job. Turning the Mountaineers into the success they have become was a good job. So I do not dismiss him the way y'all do. I question his character, but then, many of the most successful college coaches have been character-lite. The one thing that they do have in common is winning. If he wins, the rest will take care of itself. Say what you want, if Tress should lose four or five in a row to dickrod starting in a few years, Tress could be kicked to the curb, no matter what you say now.
Winning is a cure for many ills. Losing is a condition that creates amnesia regarding past victories, and it tends to diminish the value of honor and truthfulness in a football coach. Every program says that this cannot be true. As I'm in my 50s, I've seen it myself now enough times to know that the bottom line trumps all, and the bottom line is winning. Bobby Bowden was hung in effigy by his own program's fans at a coaching stop before FSU. Same coach....but he lost.
Anyway, I'd worry less about the guy's character and more about the quality of his staff and recruiting efforts over time.
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A clue that this deposition was going to be a riot is found on page 6. Right out of the box Robon has me scratching my head. I am going to start referring to Robon as Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy who searches for truth and justice.
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7 BY MR. ROBON:
8 Q Mr. Pastilong, you know who I am, correct;
9 why I am here?
10 A I assume I do.
11 Q Okay. I am here for a search for the
12 truth, protect Richard Rodriguez; you have been told
13 that?
14 A You are here for the truth.
15 Q Yes.
16 A And that's fine with me.
17 Q Okay.
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BTW, as a lawyer conducting a deposition, I am not necessarily interested in finding the truth. I want to nail down the opponent's story so I know what I must do to prepare for trial. Pastilong didn't allow Robon to corner him on anything significant. |
05-07-2008, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatorubet
OK, y'all won't like this, but I think that DW is not a bad coach. In fact, I think he is a very good coach. Tulane had a 12-0 season because of Rodriguez, and the joke that is Bowden's boy rode the richrod offense to the Clemson job. Turning the Mountaineers into the success they have become was a good job. So I do not dismiss him the way y'all do. I question his character, but then, many of the most successful college coaches have been character-lite. The one thing that they do have in common is winning. If he wins, the rest will take care of itself. Say what you want, if Tress should lose four or five in a row to dickrod starting in a few years, Tress could be kicked to the curb, no matter what you say now.
Winning is a cure for many ills. Losing is a condition that creates amnesia regarding past victories, and it tends to diminish the value of honor and truthfulness in a football coach. Every program says that this cannot be true. As I'm in my 50s, I've seen it myself now enough times to know that the bottom line trumps all, and the bottom line is winning. Bobby Bowden was hung in effigy by his own program's fans at a coaching stop before FSU. Same coach....but he lost.
Anyway, I'd worry less about the guy's character and more about the quality of his staff and recruiting efforts over time.
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What you say is true. Jackie Sherril somehow managed to stay employed... you know.. Anyway, for me, I just think it's funny how it was only a year or so ago Michigan and Ohio State fans tended to agree that RRs offense at WVU was "gimmicky" and wouldn't work in the Big Ten week in and week out. It wasn't long ago that OSU and SCum fans agreed that dominating the Big Least was hardly something to feature on one's resume. Etc.
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05-07-2008, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatorubet
OK, y'all won't like this, but I think that DW is not a bad coach. In fact, I think he is a very good coach. Tulane had a 12-0 season because of Rodriguez, and the joke that is Bowden's boy rode the richrod offense to the Clemson job. Turning the Mountaineers into the success they have become was a good job. So I do not dismiss him the way y'all do. I question his character, but then, many of the most successful college coaches have been character-lite. The one thing that they do have in common is winning. If he wins, the rest will take care of itself. Say what you want, if Tress should lose four or five in a row to dickrod starting in a few years, Tress could be kicked to the curb, no matter what you say now.
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His record as a head coach is built upon the last three years where he happened upon the wondertwins White and Slayton. He didn't recruit Pat White, and White only became the starter after an injury. Can he stumble upon a dynamic duo at scUM? Time will tell. I think he has the RB in McHoppy, but Pat White is a transcendant athlete. The current incarnation of his offense lives and breathes on that type of player. Look what happened to WVU when Pat White went down.
You can't totally dismiss what DickRod did at WVU, I absolutely agree. But you also can't ignore that his best success came after arguably the 3 best teams in that conference bolted for the ACC, and even then with White and Slayton in place, he couldn't roll through a very weak Big East to get to a BCSCG.
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Winning is a cure for many ills. Losing is a condition that creates amnesia regarding past victories, and it tends to diminish the value of honor and truthfulness in a football coach. Every program says that this cannot be true. As I'm in my 50s, I've seen it myself now enough times to know that the bottom line trumps all, and the bottom line is winning. Bobby Bowden was hung in effigy by his own program's fans at a coaching stop before FSU. Same coach....but he lost.
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Very true, but that knife cuts both ways.
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I disagree. If this guy continues forward with actions that make you question his character and doesn't win BIG TIME, his leash at scUM will begin to tighten. The Big Ten is a completely different ball of wax than the Conference USA or the Big East. The defenses are much more athletic than what he faced in the Big East and over time will learn to neutralize that offense. Look how much his teams struggled when they faced the best defense in his own conference the last two years...back to back losses. Even an average Pitt defense shut them down when White was hurt in probably the biggest game of his career. I just don't buy into all the crap people like to write about his "genius".
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Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks
What you say is true. Jackie Sherril somehow managed to stay employed... you know.. Anyway, for me, I just think it's funny how it was only a year or so ago Michigan and Ohio State fans tended to agree that RRs offense at WVU was "gimmicky" and wouldn't work in the Big Ten week in and week out. It wasn't long ago that OSU and SCum fans agreed that dominating the Big Least was hardly something to feature on one's resume. Etc. |
True. The skunkbears have made a 180 on those issues. But I also read a lot of posts in 2005 and 2006 about Urban's gimmicky offense and how it would not work in the SEC. I read about his gimmicky offense on BP in '06. So you never know what will work if the right personnel are recruited. Strength and continuity of coaching staff and strength of recruiting will tell the tale. It is likely that richrod will be an epic fail of a choice. But I heard from the Domers how lucky they were that Urban passed on them so that they could get the genius that is Charlie Cheesburger. You never know. But it sure is going to be an interesting year in the Big 10.
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