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View Poll Results: Which is the worst unit in the nation?
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Nebraska defense
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2.47% |
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Notre Dame offense
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74.07% |
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Texas Tech defense
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Louisville defense
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16.05% |
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Syracuse offense
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1.23% |
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Florida defense
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1.23% |
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Other
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4.94% |
11-01-2007, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Palpie
But that doesn't take into account that almost half NoD's points were scored by their defense. And most of their scoring "drives" on offense were 10 yards or less and set up by turnovers or special teams returns. What would the DSO score be just w/o the defensive scores. Of course maybe FIU is also 'benefitiing' from non-offense scores and short fields.
I'd also argue that 'worst' doesn't just mean lowest stats. FIU's offense should be inept, they're one of the worst, least talented teams in division 1-A (despite all the Florida speed that must be on that team). NoD has far more talent available than FIU and is coached by the greatest* offensive genius ever and led by the best emu in high school football history. Yet NoD is threatening to set records for offensive futility. NoD's offense should at least be with in the top half of 1-A schools (in either basic stats or differential).
*strictly in terms of mass
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The question isn't "the most underperforming unit", it is "the worst unit". By pointing out that FIU is the only worse unit in the country, I was taking a jab at ND for underperforming; a jab that Jax' picked up on immediately.
But it is absolutely undeniable that FIU is the worst offense in the country.
ND has produced 14 or more points in 4 of their last 5 games against BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU. While not all of those points were scored by the offense, let's at least observe that ND's offense has benefitted from 5 more turnovers than has FIU's this season (18 vs. 13).
And while we're on the subject of turnovers, ND has coughed up the ball 17 times this season. That's pretty bad.
FIU has turned the ball over 29 times against a sun belt schedule. That's worse than pretty bad... by a lot.
And oh yeah, FIU has scored 14 points or more only twice this season (not 4 times). And they managed it only against Troy's backups in a blow out (a stellar 16 point effort) and against La. Monroe (not BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU).
When it comes to bad offense, it is FIU that is on the verge of setting all-time records for futility; not ND.
But rather than miss the "Beat on Ntre ame" bandwagon, let me close with this: If we narrowed our search to the worst unit in terms of just rushing or just passing, then the Irish rushing offense wins in a landslide. They are managing just over HALF of the yards per carry of the 118th team in the country, Duke. They are literally almost twice as bad as the 2nd worst team in rushing offense.
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11-01-2007, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks
The question isn't "the most underperforming unit", it is "the worst unit". By pointing out that FIU is the only worse unit in the country, I was taking a jab at ND for underperforming; a jab that Jax' picked up on immediately.
But it is absolutely undeniable that FIU is the worst offense in the country.
ND has produced 14 or more points in 4 of their last 5 games against BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU. While not all of those points were scored by the offense, let's at least observe that ND's offense has benefitted from 5 more turnovers than has FIU's this season (18 vs. 13).
And while we're on the subject of turnovers, ND has coughed up the ball 17 times this season. That's pretty bad.
FIU has turned the ball over 29 times against a sun belt schedule. That's worse than pretty bad... by a lot.
And oh yeah, FIU has scored 14 points or more only twice this season (not 4 times). And they managed it only against Troy's backups in a blow out (a stellar 16 point effort) and against La. Monroe (not BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU).
When it comes to bad offense, it is FIU that is on the verge of setting all-time records for futility; not ND.
But rather than miss the "Beat on Ntre ame" bandwagon, let me close with this: If we narrowed our search to the worst unit in terms of just rushing or just passing, then the Irish rushing offense wins in a landslide. They are managing just over HALF of the yards per carry of the 118th team in the country, Duke. They are literally almost twice as bad as the 2nd worst team in rushing offense. |
Apparently we were in too much of a 'rush' to trash the entire Ntre Ame offense. [THEOhioState] (get it?) [/THEOhioState]
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11-01-2007, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye
Comparing ND's offensive against Louisville's defense:
ND offense:
187.63 ypg (#119) - This is almost 47 ypg less the #118 FIU and over 75 ypg less than #117 Utah St, and 114 teams average over 100 ypg more.
10.0 ppg (#118) - Only FIU scores less (8.5 ppg). They didn't score their first offensive TD until the fourth game of the season--on a 9-yard drive. Only seven of their 10 TDs have come on offense...less than one offensive TD per game.
UL defense:
411.33 ypg (#81) - This is over 100 ypg less than the two worst teams, Minnesota and Rice.
27.3 ppg (#66) - This is almost dead in the middle of the 119 teams. There are three teams giving up two TDs a game more.
Like I said earlier, it's not even close as to which unit is the worst in the country...
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your comparison is all wrong. Minnesota has the worst defense in the nation. they give up 536 yards per game. total defense: dead last. pass defense: dead last. rush defense: #103. scoring defense: #111...
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11-01-2007, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MD Buckeye
As well as 42 points to Middle Tennessee State, 40 points to Kentucky and 44 to Utah.
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Utah also scored 44 against UCLA...I don't see you mentioning UCLA's defense as that bad. Evidently you choose to ignore what I posted Louiville's defense holding Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Pittsburgh to 24, 21, and 17 points respectively in their last three games. Louisville's defense right now is no where near as bad as you claim.
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your comparison is all wrong. Minnesota has the worst defense in the nation. they give up 536 yards per game. total defense: dead last. pass defense: dead last. rush defense: #103. scoring defense: #111...
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How is my comparison wrong? I said that Louisville's 411.33 ypg is over 100 ypg less than the two worst teams, Minnesota and Rice. So, if Minnesota is giving up 536 ypg, then Louisville's 411.33 is indeed more than 100 yards less per game.
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11-01-2007, 02:26 PM
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