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BUMP to say Tubby sucks.
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06-15-2008, 12:01 AM
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In all the talk about how TT is a total moron/crybaby for dissing the Bucks, I totally forgot about the fact that he's a total disgrace to college coaching profession for having his players cut block their opponents. It's happened too often to be coincidental. Cheap shots are inexcusable in college sports.
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06-15-2008, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by generaladm
In all the talk about how TT is a total moron/crybaby for dissing the Bucks, I totally forgot about the fact that he's a total disgrace to college coaching profession for having his players cut block their opponents. It's happened too often to be coincidental. Cheap shots are inexcusable in college sports.
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06-15-2008, 02:00 AM
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Isn't that expected in the SEC?
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06-16-2008, 10:21 PM
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Of course that wasn't my point, though I can see how my last post may have been taken the wrong way. I hope you know I'm not the type of guy who comes on here to say, "We rule, you suck!". I just like to discuss college football with some friendly (and hopefully funny) trash talking. Your statement about the SECs top eleven taking an overall series vs. the Big Ten seems to be the concensus opnion in SEC land. While this may or may not be true, it will never actually be proven. I do think that a lot of SEC fans (and coaches) have an inflated value of their mid to low level teams. If you look at the top 5 in the SEC who Tuberville says are better than OSU, you have two teams with 2 losses (same as OSU) and three with 4 losses. Top 5 in Big Ten has OSU and four teams with 4 losses (most years UM would have been the other 1-2 loss team). LSU beats OSU. UM beats UF. Tenn barely beats Wisc. That leaves GA and AUB, ILL and Penn St. I would say that GA beats either of those Big Ten teams, and AUB loses to either. So in hypothetical land, SEC has a slight 3-2 advantage.
Here's where it gets interesting. If a 9-4 SEC team is clearly better than the Big Ten Champion, then it stands to reason that the SEC would have a huge advantage in match-ups with teams of equal records. Let's look at those. 8-5 Purdue vs. 8-5 Kentucky. Pretty even. Both teams had high scoring offenses led by very productive quarterbacks...and terrible defenses. In their bowl games, PUR squeaked by Central Michigan in a shootout; KY beat a suspension depleted FSU by 7. 8-5 Arkansas vs. 7-6 Mich. St. Again, a match-up of very similar teams. Both featured great running attacks and serviceable Ds. I think MSU's O was more balanced, but D-Mac was certainly a game breaker. Bowls: MSU lost by a FG to BC, who just missed a BCS berth; Hogs got blown the [censored] out by Mizzou (see BC). 8-5 Miss St. vs. 7-6 Indiana. IU had a passing game that was very good at times, MSU had a good D. Bowls: Okla St. 49, IU 33; MSU 10, UCF3. 7-6 Bama vs. 6-6 Iowa. Both teams had a down year. Bowl: Bama 30, Colorado 24; Iowa: DNP. 6-6 Northwestern vs. 6-6 So. Car. Both teams were probably better than their records. NU was without their #1 RB, not sure what USC's problem was. 5-7 Vandy vs. 1-11 Minn. Okay, anyone could have beat the gophers last year.
What is to be derived from all this? Nothing. The Big Ten and SEC have been absolutely even in bowl games for the last ten years. The perceived SEC dominance is simply that the SEC won the two biggest games. When you actually look at the match-ups from top to bottom, the only real "gimme" is Minny vs. anyone. (although, go back a couple of years to Barber and Maroney...) Ole Miss vs. Minny? Game of the Century. The "Big 2, Little 8" perception implies that there aren't any legit teams past OSU and UM. In reality, Wisc, PSU, Purdue, MSU, Iowa, and Illinois have been very solid over the past few years, with the exceptions of the rebuiling seasons that all teams go thru. SECers like to pump up their middle of the pack teams as elite. They simply are not. USC, Auburn, and Arky are good, solid football programs, able to pull off the big upset from time to time. But they are not actually contenders. They are probably better than their counterparts in the PAC-10, ACC, and Big East, but how much is that worth? I can't recall another time when college football coaches publicly theorized how OOC teams would finish in their conference. Probably because most coaches try not to embarrass their schools. Tuberville is like a skinny kid who boasts he'll take on anyone in the neighborhood while his 6'6" 250lb big brother is standing behind him. Is the SEC a good conference? Undoubtedly. Would their #6 team win every other conference? Only Tommy T is stupid enough to think that. |
Just got back from taking my scout troop to summer camp on Mercury... er .... I mean to southern Mississipi.  Damn, it was hot. Every one of my boys had to go see the doc at one point for heat/dehydration problems. Only good thing about the trip was that the 5 mile hike for the new scouts was done at 5:30 am, so we all made it back......but I digress......
General, I have not one problem admitting that your analysis might be right. However, I am sticking with my opinion that the greater diversity of programs beating each other in the SEC may...may....mean that we have an overall stronger lower tier. Like any theory that will never be tested, you can give it the validity it deserves. I mean, I honestly think that it may be so, but it is not a subject high on my list of things to worry about. LSU, UT, Georgia and our inexplicable hard time against Spurrier and the Hawgs have my attention this year.
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Gator, I would have replied sooner, but I have an epileptic seizure everytime I look at your signature. 
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Isn't that expected in the SEC?
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Ummmmm....no.
Not really.
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General, I have not one problem admitting that your analysis might be right. However, I am sticking with my opinion that the greater diversity of programs beating each other in the SEC may...may....mean that we have an overall stronger lower tier. Like any theory that will never be tested, you can give it the validity it deserves. I mean, I honestly think that it may be so, but it is not a subject high on my list of things to worry about. LSU, UT, Georgia and our inexplicable hard time against Spurrier and the Hawgs have my attention this year.
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Good to have you back, Gator! I knew there had to be a good reason for the delay in your response to my bellicose jabs. Kudos to you o | |
