2009 SEC discussion

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by AuburnBuckeye

I'm sure he will be able to survive now that they'll encourage him to talk about the SEC's dominance over tOSU even more.

And given his lone venture into SEC country (an ass kicking of Arkansas) they'll be plenty for May to crow about.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by BB73

Tony Gerdeman has an excellent article expressing concerns about the partnership between the SEC and ESPN.

I've got the same concerns - ESPN will use it's reach to hype the SEC even more so, and talk down the members of other leagues (how Mark May will survive without being able to heap endless praise on Southern California will be worth watching).

Ozone

1) The NCAA should have stepped in when NBC signed on with Notre Dame. Having done nothing then, they are hardly in position to do anything now.

2) Maybe the God of Football will bring the same success to SEC teams that it brought to Notre Dame once the ink on the contract died.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

Shucks - although this was not unexpected. UGA has a pretty deep depth chart right now at RB. It'll be tough to get another 4 star back until Caleb King graduates.

Rumor has Neiron Ball as a Gator commit. You must have deep DE depth too.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Rumor has Neiron Ball as a Gator commit. You must have deep DE depth too.

That's a name I hadn't heard. Congrats though! Looks to be a good get.

In reference to our depth at DE. It's a little light in upperclassmen - but heavy in 4 stars coming in: Scout.com: Football Recruiting


Fields, Butler, Stripling. With Butler coming from Osceola.

Back and forth - picking each others pockets for recruits. Sunrise-sunset.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

That's a name I hadn't heard. Congrats though! Looks to be a good get.

In reference to our depth at DE. It's a little light in upperclassmen - but heavy in 4 stars coming in: Scout.com: Football Recruiting


Fields, Butler, Stripling. With Butler coming from Osceola.

Back and forth - picking each others pockets for recruits. Sunrise-sunset.

His brother's a Mutt. Neland Ball. Thanksgiving will be interesting from now on.

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

That's a name I hadn't heard. Congrats though! Looks to be a good get.

In reference to our depth at DE. It's a little light in upperclassmen - but heavy in 4 stars coming in: Scout.com: Football Recruiting


Fields, Butler, Stripling. With Butler coming from Osceola.

Back and forth - picking each others pockets for recruits. Sunrise-sunset.

Is that where B.J. is going to end up?

[NastyDogg72]

Originally Posted by BB73

Tony Gerdeman has an excellent article expressing concerns about the partnership between the SEC and ESPN.

I've got the same concerns - ESPN will use it's reach to hype the SEC even more so, and talk down the members of other leagues (how Mark May will survive without being able to heap endless praise on Southern California will be worth watching).

Ozone

It does give you reason for concern. But one thing jumps out at me, 15 years is a long time in the world of College Football. We all know the sport works in cycles and right know it is the SEC's turn at the top of that cycle. The question is what happens to ESPN when that cycle comes to an end? There is a reason that networks don't typically tie themselves that deeply with one conference. Because those cycles always come to an end.

Think of it this way, 15 years ago Nebraska was getting ready to win the first of back to back National Titles and the former Big 8 conference was in the midst of winning 4 titles in 8 years. They were the baddest boys on the block at the time. Who will be the big boys in 5, 10 or 15 years? ESPN is hoping it is still the SEC, but history says otherwise.

The SEC is in the midst of a tremendous run, but it is not unprecedented. The rules of attrition have always, and will always, apply to College Football.

BTW, ask the N.Y. Islanders how 15 year contracts work out. Had to get my required NHL shot in there.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by NastyDogg72

It does give you reason for concern. But one thing jumps out at me, 15 years is a long time in the world of College Football. We all know the sport works in cycles and right know it is the SEC's turn at the top of that cycle. The question is what happens to ESPN when that cycle comes to an end? There is a reason that networks don't typically tie themselves that deeply with one conference. Because those cycles always come to an end.

Think of it this way, 15 years ago Nebraska was getting ready to win the first of back to back National Titles and the former Big 8 conference was in the midst of winning 4 titles in 8 years. They were the baddest boys on the block at the time. Who will be the big boys in 5, 10 or 15 years? ESPN is hoping it is still the SEC, but history says otherwise.

The SEC is in the midst of a tremendous run, but it is not unprecedented. The rules of attrition have always, and will always, apply to College Football.

BTW, ask the N.Y. Islanders how 15 year contracts work out. Had to get my required NHL shot in there.

I'm not buying into the cycles. For one thing the cycles are seldom conference deep. Certain programs go into cycles, but when was the last time Vandy or Indiana or someone other than USC/UCLA won back-to-back conference championships? Nebraska and Oklahoma enjoyed a nice run, one that might have continued if the old SWC had not collapsed leaving Texas looking for a home.

As for the Big 10, I wouldn't look for them to re-cycle any time soon. Money and population are flying out of here. Word is that Michigan is having problems selling their premium sky boxes and it's not so much due to the collapse on the field as the loss of Detroit. Add to that misery the fact that a Big Ten team has to win its bowl game playing outside of their region with the exception of the Motor Bowl or whatever the hell they call that game for the MAC champ and a 6 win Big 10 team.

40 years ago the Big 10 was the only conference with two stadiums over 90,000. Today they have three over 100K, but the facilities at Tennessee, Alabama and the number of 80K stadiums assures the SEC of more overall revenue. Texas and texas A&M will soon both be over 100K. I don't see that kind of economic/football power yielding anytime soon.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by bigballin2987

Is that where B.J. is going to end up?

Yup - although still a little uncertain if he'll play DE or LB

[BB73]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

I'm not buying into the cycles. For one thing the cycles are seldom conference deep. Certain programs go into cycles, but when was the last time Vandy or Indiana or someone other than USC/UCLA won back-to-back conference championships? Nebraska and Oklahoma enjoyed a nice run, one that might have continued if the old SWC had not collapsed leaving Texas looking for a home.

As for the Big 10, I wouldn't look for them to re-cycle any time soon. Money and population are flying out of here. Word is that Michigan is having problems selling their premium sky boxes and it's not so much due to the collapse on the field as the loss of Detroit. Add to that misery the fact that a Big Ten team has to win its bowl game playing outside of their region with the exception of the Motor Bowl or whatever the hell they call that game for the MAC champ and a 6 win Big 10 team.

40 years ago the Big 10 was the only conference with two stadiums over 90,000. Today they have three over 100K, but the facilities at Tennessee, Alabama and the number of 80K stadiums assures the SEC of more overall revenue. Texas and texas A&M will soon both be over 100K. I don't see that kind of economic/football power yielding anytime soon.

3 things that would have prevented the perceived SEC dominance:

In '06, if Louisville had beaten Rutgers, tOSU-Louisville would have been the Title game. Or if USC had beaten UCLA, they'd have played tOSU.

In '07, if WV beat Pitt, it's tOSU-WVU in the Title game. (Or if Mizzou had beaten Oklahoma, they'd have been BCS #1, and played tOSU).

In '08, if USC beat OgSt, it would have been Oklahoma-USC. If Penn St had beaten Iowa, it would have been PSU-Oklahoma.

In each year, the 1-or-2 loss SEC Champ had just enough go right to make it to BCS #2.

I agree with your premises of population and economic trends, but the current economic info shows that the Big Ten is holding its ground financially. (It's in a thread Gatorubet started yesterday, with 'tough economic times' in its title).

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

Yup - although still a little uncertain if he'll play DE or LB

I knew he was going to be a dawg, I was just referring to whether or not he was going to be a DE.

[BigWoof31]

Okie State Linebacker thinks Georgia should be scared to play them.

Oklahoma State feels its time has come


Not sure I would have said that - but thanks for the free bulletin board material.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

Okie State Linebacker thinks Georgia should be scared to play them.

Oklahoma State feels its time has come


Not sure I would have said that - but thanks for the free bulletin board material.

He likely counted on nobody on the puppies being able to read.

[BigWoof31]

Lane Kiffin - a death wish or nads as big as bowling balls?

Tennessee’s Kiffin plans to put up billboards in Florida | AJC College Sports Recruiting


It's one thing to win a recruiting war in Florida - another thing entirely to [censored] in your neighbors backyard.

[journeyman]

Originally Posted by NastyDogg72

Think of it this way, 15 years ago Nebraska was getting ready to win the first of back to back National Titles and the former Big 8 conference was in the midst of winning 4 titles in 8 years. They were the baddest boys on the block at the time. Who will be the big boys in 5, 10 or 15 years? ESPN is hoping it is still the SEC, but history says otherwise.

The SEC is in the midst of a tremendous run, but it is not unprecedented. The rules of attrition have always, and will always, apply to College Football.

BTW, ask the N.Y. Islanders how 15 year contracts work out. Had to get my required NHL shot in there.

However, with ESPN's backing and power, do you think The Worldwide Leader is going to allow the run to end? They've got too much money involved for them to allow the SEC to turn into the ACC...even if it was possible--which it isn't.

Basically, ESPN is going to do whatever it can to keep the SEC on top.