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We all hate disagreeing with Grad...because he's almost always right!  And about the comparisons, let's wait until they get suited up first. Economists often joke the leading economic indicators have predicted 11 out of the last 6 recessions. It means that you should always take predictions by economists, let alone recruiting "gurus", very a heavy dose of caution. |
He missed on Saine last year at RB, but that is one of the very few times...
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That is a very good point. Adams and Brew are two of the top 3 OL in the country imo with Kalil, so I am definetly taking nothing from Jenkins as he is a very good player.
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Yep I think that he is a four star, and also as people have pointed out his video is of him playing tackle and not at guard...He is probably due for a redshirt year, to get into college shape, but he will be a good one... |
09-24-2007, 09:21 PM
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He missed on Saine last year at RB, but that is one of the very few times...
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I'll take that one...but in all fairness, he made tremendous strides from his Junior film that I evaluated to what you see now. That is usually not the case....but I did miss it.
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I understand that the competition is horrible, but there are too many things to like here, to just call him solid IMO...He uses his hands very well for a lineman, he is low, he is explosive out of his stance, the side to side movement is there.
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That is where I disagree...I don't see that "explosion" that I expected. I see the same explosion, if not more, from Coates. I see good, active feet and a good understanding of leverage. I see solid. As for comparing him to Brewster and Adams...why not? With all of the hype, a kid does need to be compared to great players. Imagine the difference in film if Brew or Adams were facing those WV kids...it wouldn't even be close. Imagine if Josh Jenkins was playing in D-1 Ohio or Florida...how much better would he be?
I'm not saying JJ is not an excellent lineman...I am saying that after all of the hype, the film was not what I expected....especially against inferior competition.
With that said, it is a short glimpse of a handful of plays...in no way am I saying this kid is not worth the effort. He has a tremendous upside and the interior comments are definitely spot-on.
However, I expected more. I'm not taking away from the kid at all, let's make sure the point is understood.
Let me ask you this...Josh Jenkins film vs. Connor Smith's film. Who do you take?
Hype and expectation are tricky sometimes...especially for us outsiders trying to peer inward.
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09-24-2007, 10:30 PM
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That is where I disagree...I don't see that "explosion" that I expected. I see the same explosion, if not more, from Coates. I see good, active feet and a good understanding of leverage. I see solid.
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Maybe we are looking at diffrerent thinks when talking about explosiveness, but when I see this film, I see him being explosive out of his stance. After rewatching for a second time, it seems that playing at tackle that he is doing more setting up and letting the End run up and out of the play...Then on backside he is just cutting the guy off...When he is straight drive blocking, he is driving his man and opening holes...All the tools are there, and while not in pads at the AA combine he was one if not the most impressive lineman there from reports, and Brewster, Shugarts, Adams, and Painter were all there...
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As for comparing him to Brewster and Adams...why not? With all of the hype, a kid does need to be compared to great players. Imagine the difference in film if Brew or Adams were facing those WV kids...it wouldn't even be close. Imagine if Josh Jenkins was playing in D-1 Ohio or Florida...how much better would he be?
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I think that Jenkins has the things you look for when translating to higher level of competition. He understands leverage, quick feet, and the essentials of line play...
As far as comparing him to Adams and Brewster, I would say that he not the drive blocker that they are, but like I have said with weight training and a little coaching, I don't think it is crazy to think that he could be just as good as them...
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I'm not saying JJ is not an excellent lineman...I am saying that after all of the hype, the film was not what I expected....especially against inferior competition.
With that said, it is a short glimpse of a handful of plays...in no way am I saying this kid is not worth the effort. He has a tremendous upside and the interior comments are definitely spot-on.
However, I expected more. I'm not taking away from the kid at all, let's make sure the point is understood.
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Overall I think that we are basically on the same page, with him being a very good lineman and worthy of the attention and effort from the staff, Just that with the hype your expectations were a little high and didnt quite see that...Also his competition comes into play, and sometimes those players can be the most difficult to project...
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Let me ask you this...Josh Jenkins film vs. Connor Smith's film. Who do you take?
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Honestly I take Jenkins...Connor was one of my favorite lineman on film that I have watched, with his destroying of dlineman, but what his film didnt show and what he needed work with was pass blocking...Mainly b/c Colerain's offense, but Jenkins shows advanced skills in both...
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Hype and expectation are tricky sometimes...especially for us outsiders trying to peer inward.
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I can agree with this, and honestly from watching him stay low, use his hands, and his feet, I still think that he would make a great DT...
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09-24-2007, 11:48 PM
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I agree with cb40. If you look at just the clips of his run blocking from the tackle position, you see where the hype is warranted. He doesn't destroy the guy like Brewster does, but he takes him clear out of the play.
It's also important to note this is him at tackle. Jenkins appears to be a good athlete, but I don't think he's athletic or as long as Brewster or Adams, so any comparisons between Jenkins and the other two short change Jenkins IMO.
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09-25-2007, 05:27 AM
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As far as comparing him to Adams and Brewster, I would say that he not the drive blocker that they are, but like I have said with weight training and a little coaching, I don't think it is crazy to think that he could be just as good as them...
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Honestly I take Jenkins...Connor was one of my favorite lineman on film that I have watched, with his destroying of dlineman, but what his film didnt show and what he needed work with was pass blocking...Mainly b/c Colerain's offense, but Jenkins shows advanced skills in both...
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Hold on. You guys already emphasized the tackle vs guard point...now we are going to de-emphasize the differences in the drive blocking? Adams is a left tackle...his explosion is evident. Brewster just destroys people everywhere and is a future interior guy. Shouldn't a guard be a potent drive blocker...an explosive drive blocker? Explosion to me is not out of his stance, it is at the point of contact...what happens then. Does he catch? Destroy? Lock up and bury? Those are some of the degress of an offensive lineman. As for Jenkins being as good as them...how many more factors do we need in the equation... with a little weight training and coaching...we are talking natural ability here. Things that are not coached. None of these HS lineman are even close to being finished products. Each of these kids will benefit from those things...so when does that gap close? Beyond coaching, he has a major task in adjusting to talent level. Connor Smith played at the highest level of competition in one of the greatest states of HS football...and dominated.
Jenkins is solid, but the recruiting class will not be diminished if he stays with WVU. To me, folks are looking for a tremendous assessment simply because he has been a major subject this year on the message boards. He is a kid with potential...not a program changer.
Duane Long is as good as they come when assessing OL/DL...I'll fire him an email and get his opinion.
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If you look at just the clips of his run blocking from the tackle position, you see where the hype is warranted. He doesn't destroy the guy like Brewster does, but he takes him clear out of the play.
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Brewster is destroying Florida competition...Jenkins is running a WV kid out of the play. Which is more impressive there? Let's mention again...Brewster is also a future interior guy.
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It's also important to note this is him at tackle. Jenkins appears to be a good athlete, but I don't think he's athletic or as long as Brewster or Adams, so any comparisons between Jenkins and the other two short change Jenkins IMO.
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Again, Brewster is not going to be at tackle...how can not being as athletic as the other two short change anyone? Isnt that a major point of the comparison? A future guard vs. a future center seems like a very fair comparison...
Dunno, maybe my expectations were just too high...I'll agree to disagree. We all agree he is a a good looking prospect...just vary on the degrees of how impressive. I guess that is a good problem to have.
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