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06-12-2008, 07:06 PM
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Not to side with the guy, cause I'm not a fan of Luginbill at all, but when "experts", and I use that term loosely, evaluate and rank different school's recruiting classes, they're gonna go off of the star ratings and position rankings that they've given them. As far as Luginbill is concerned, Ohio State is going "slumming" when they receive verbals from players he's deemed to have earned less than four stars.
The way I see it, the problem isn't in the overall ranking of the recruiting class. It's in the rankings of the players by small five-ten minute highlight clips. Ohio State has proven year after year that they have the ability to recruit under-the-radar talent and turn them into All-Americans and first round draft picks. This isn't going to be reflected in the recruiting rankings. So who really gives a flying [deleted] what Tom Luginbill thinks of our "3-star" players. If Ohio State is throwing an early offer at a player, that probably means they think he's pretty [deleted] good.
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06-12-2008, 07:23 PM
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His reasons for the comments are weak. I can see the claim that some of the guys we took "may not be of OSU caliber" though...let's be honest, Homan, Boren, and Bellamy weren't thought of as can't miss guys. Boren only had a UC offer and I don't know if Homan had any. Bellamy blew up recently and his film was good, but it was his camp performance that got him the offer from OSU. I have a feeling he will have a good senior year and move up. I think ESPin is talking about Boren and Homan though. Most were shocked over those offers and something to consider is bloodlines. A ranking service can't rate a player highly based on bloodlines...the film has to match up. If Adam's last name wasn't Homan, does he get an offer? I know for a fact that there would be no offer for Zach if Justin wasn't coming...it was essentially the offer that Justin would/should have accepted in '06. Now don't take this post as "these guys aren't OSU material" and as a disclaimer, I "trust the coaches." However, we have to view this as objectively as possible.
First off, Luginbill is indeed an idiot. However, he is correct in the fact that a team's fans will complain 99% of the time about the rankings their players get. It's in my opinion that I would say Homan and Boren need a great senior campaign to warrant a 3 star rating. A recruiting service can't just say a coach is a good talent evaluator and go by that...they can't "trust the coaches" or their legitimacy would be shot (not that it already hasn't been shot for ESPin). Some players don't pan out and it's their guess that certain guys won't at OSU. However, Luginbill's main basis cannot be supported. If he says the players recruited in the classes that matched up against Florida and LSU are inferior, I could see that. However, he can't use that as evidence for these rankings. In summary, he won't name the 2 or 3 guys he questions but just as a talent evaluator, I can see why he would want to see improvement from Boren and Homan. In the end though, he needs to realize how stupid he makes himself look (or is) in his arguments. In my honest opinion, I think our class is 2nd to USC's in terms of quality so far. If you watch their commits highlights, it is tough to argue. However, when this class adds players like Berry, Emilien, and Adams (possibly), I think we will be the top class. As Buck Twenty said though, let's just beat the frickin' SEC for once and shut the critics up. I almost feel like a Michigan fan trying to debate their recruiting class against OSU...we can debate all we want, but we have been owned by the SEC lately, just like we have owned Michigan lately. Only difference is they have actually beat us once in the last 6 years, we are 0-9 against the SEC lately. I know this sentiment won't be popular but as this site loves to prove positive facts, we also have to face the negative ones. So...let's just beat them and then they will have to find a new excuse to rate us low.
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06-12-2008, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RB07OSU
His reasons for the comments are weak. I can see the claim that some of the guys we took "may not be of OSU caliber" though...let's be honest, Homan, Boren, and Bellamy weren't thought of as can't miss guys. Boren only had a UC offer and I don't know if Homan had any. Bellamy blew up recently and his film was good, but it was his camp performance that got him the offer from OSU. I have a feeling he will have a good senior year and move up. I think ESPin is talking about Boren and Homan though. |
one look at OSU's commit list on the espn.com recruiting pages says it all (IMO)...
there are roughly 500 players still under consideration for the espn top 150...as there are roughly 500 players on their top 150 watch list...
at this point...11 Buckeyes are on their top 150 watch list:
Dorian Bell, Jack Mewhort, Jamie Wood, CJ Barnett, Corey Linsley, John Simon, Melvin Fellows, James Jackson, Adam Bellamy, Jordan Hall and Adam Homan.
OSU commits NOT on the top 150 watch list...and therefore one could assume that espn/scouts inc do not see these guys as top 500 in the nation....
Jordan Whiting
Storm Klein
Chris Fields
Dominic Clarke
Reid Fragel
Zach Boren
IMO...I can see that in the cases of Fragel and Boren...and mayyyyybe Clarke since he has been kind of under the radar. Fields?? well, scout.com thinks so too I guess...but Whiting and Klein not top 500 nationally??? puh-lease.
IF (and I stress IF) they don't see Whiting and Klein (and Fields IMO) as top 500 guys in the nation (and I think we're all expecting them to rate Bellamy, Homan, Hall and maybe some others close to the 500-line as well) well, then I don't like the odds of the Bucks getting many guys in their top 150 either. Kind of like last year when they rated something like 20 Florida kids ahead of the first Ohio kid in their top 150...and had Adams in the 80s...
Therefore ESPN/Scouts Inc. will question the 'quality' of OSU's recruits basically all year long....
...just my $.02
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06-12-2008, 08:44 PM
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I know for a fact that there would be no offer for Zach if Justin wasn't coming.
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I'm going to stop you right there.
You throw that kind of claim out you darn sure better be able to back it up.
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06-12-2008, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Muck
I'm going to stop you right there.
You throw that kind of claim out you damn sure better be able to back it up.
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I am not going to say I know for a fact, but what I will say that it is my strong opinion that Zach got an offer because of Justin...
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06-12-2008, 09:01 PM
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I'm going to stop you right there.
You throw that kind of claim out you damn sure better be able to back it up.
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RB07OSU has been here long enough to know that.
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06-12-2008, 09:12 PM
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RB07OSU has been here long enough to know that.
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You're right.
He should know better and be held to higher standards, not lower.
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