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Took some creative liberties with the list.
         
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06-27-2008, 12:07 AM
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Is the default forum background not white? Also did you mean to have Hall half & half (representing a silent verbal perhaps)?
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06-27-2008, 12:09 AM
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06-27-2008, 12:12 AM
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06-27-2008, 12:43 AM
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06-27-2008, 08:12 AM
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perhaps it was by first name! C comes before D! ...while I doubt thats the reason I'm just trying to defend the guy for the generous and appreciatated work he put in 
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06-27-2008, 01:49 PM
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And Mili knows, he's just giving me a hard time cuz he can. 
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06-27-2008, 02:34 PM
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[quote=Muck;1193894;]Well yeah it's the reason. It's a spreadsheet, it doesn't know to alphabatize by last names it just goes with the first letter in the cell.
...it puts the lotion in the basket...it puts the lotion in the basket
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06-27-2008, 03:07 PM
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Added Emfinger's Top 100:
1 Matt Barkley 2 Russell Shepard 3 Manti Te'o 4 Devon Kennard 5 Jamarkus McFarland 6 Jaccobi McDaniel 7 Reuben Randle 8 Vontaze Burfict 9 Dorian Bell 10 Garrett Gilbert 11 Chris Davenport 12 Marlon Brown 13 Bryce Brown 14 William Campbell 15 Cierre Wood 16 Craig Loston 17 Dre Kirkpatrick 18 Xavier Nixon 19 Nico Johnson 20 Jelani Jenkins 21 Mason Walters 22 Donte Moss 23 Jarvis Jones 24 Aaron Murray 25 Shaquelle Evans 26 Eric Shrive 27 Corey Adams 28 Sam Montgomery 29 Randall Carroll 30 Lamar Miller 31 Logan Heastie 32 Tana Patrick 33 Darius Winston 34 Kevin Brent 35 Melvin Fellows 36 Patrick Hall 37 Devonte Holloman 38 Chris Whaley 39 Rolando Jefferson 40 David Oku 41 Jaamal Berry 42 Gabe Lynn 43 Nick Alajajian 44 Johnny Simon 45 D.J. Fluker 46 Craig Drummond 47 John Martinez 48 Marcus Hall 49 Malliciah Goodman 50 Michael Philipp 51 Andre Debose 52 Je'Ron Stokes 53 Washaun Ealey 54 Dexter Pratt 55 Logan Thomas 56 Kevin Graf 57 Alex Okafor 58 Ronnie Wingo Jr. 59 Abry Jones 60 Chris Watt 61 Kendall Kelly 62 Bryce McNeal 63 Morgan Moses 64 Chris Bonds 65 Trent Richardson 66 Donovan Tate 67 Jawanza Starling 68 C.J. Barnett 69 Nick Kasa 70 Justin Turner 71 Ryne Giddins 72 Christine Michael 73 C.J. Mizell 74 Darrell Givens 75 Jheranie Boyd 76 Morrell Presley 77 Cliff Harris 78 Kevin Newsome 79 Michael Ford 80 Willie Downs 81 Damario Jeffery 82 Branden Smith 83 Edwin Baker 84 T.J. McDonald 85 Justin Chaisson 86 Gary Brown 87 Cody Green 88 Xavier Su'a Filo 89 Marcus Davis 90 Kraig Appleton 91 Tom Savage 92 Rodney Smith 93 Patrick Patterson 94 Janzen Jackson 95 Jon Bostic 96 Tom Wort 97 Corey Brown 98 Tajh Boyd 99 Garrett Porter 100 Frankie Telfort Dorian Bell is now alone at #9 (+2) Fellows drops from 25 to 35 (-10) Johnny Simon drops one spot to 44 (-1) C.J. Barnett falls to 68 (-19) Corey Brown plummets to 97 (-23) Jamie Wood falls out of the top 100 to 111 (-23) Other Buckeyes: 112 Chris Fields (+45) 130 Jordan Whiting (-16) 141 Justin Green (-12) 155 Storm Klein (-9) Last edited by Muck; 06-27-2008 at 05:49 PM.
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06-27-2008, 03:44 PM
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Surprised that brandon McGee isn't on the list somewhere, unless I missed him...
BTW Fvsports, has a new list out, but it is on the message board...Not sure if that is the one you used or not... FVSports Forums
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06-27-2008, 05:49 PM
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Rivals: N/R FNS: N/R Emfinger: 100 I've just plugged in a straight 150 from the services that don't rank a player in their top 100. That gives McGee an average ranking of 115.25 which places him at 107 on the list. Quote:
I might ask if they have players ranked beyond 100. If they have them to 150 or beyond I can start plugging in the data for players farthr down the list since everyone else ranks to 250 or so. Last edited by Muck; 06-27-2008 at 05:56 PM.
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06-27-2008, 07:27 PM
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Updated with the lastest FVSports rankings:
1 Matt Barkley 2 Russell Shepard 3 Devon Kennard 4 Manti Te'o 5 Jaccobi McDaniel 6 Jamarkus McFarland 7 Reuben Randle 8 Vontaze Burfict 9 Chris Davenport 10 Bryce Brown 11 Garrett Gilbert 12 William Campbell 13 Dorian Bell 14 Craig Loston 15 Jelani Jenkins 16 Darius Winston 17 Dre Kirkpatrick 18 Cierre Wood 19 Marlon Brown 20 Xavier Nixon 21 Nico Johnson 22 Donte Moss 23 Aaron Murray 24 Jaamal Berry 25 Mason Walters 26 Randall Carroll 27 Melvin Fellows 28 Gabe Lynn 29 Andre Debose 30 Logan Thomas 31 Jarvis Jones 32 Sam Montgomery 33 Shaquelle Evans 34 Lamar Miller 35 Kevin Brent 36 Patrick Hall 37 Tana Patrick 38 Morgan Moses 39 Trent Richardson 40 Corey Adams 41 Nick Alajajian 42 Chris Whaley 43 Kendall Kelly 44 Branden Smith 45 Alex Okafor 46 Craig Drummond 47 Chris Watt 48 Logan Heastie 49 Malliciah Goodman 50 Jheranie Boyd 51 Marcus Hall 52 Michael Philipp 53 Eric Shrive 54 Johnny Simon 55 Je'Ron Stokes 56 Ray Ray Armstrong 57 David Oku 58 Damario Jeffery 59 Gary Brown 60 Devonte Holloman 61 Patrick Patterson 62 Brandon McGee 63 Rolando Jefferson 64 Cody Green 65 D.J. Fluker 66 Rodney Smith 67 John Martinez 68 Washaun Ealey 69 Jamie Wood 70 Abry Jones 71 Tom Wort 72 Dexter Pratt 73 Christine Michael 74 Ronnell Lewis 75 Fletcher Cox 76 Kevin Newsome 77 C.J. Barnett 78 Willie Downs 79 Ronnie Wingo Jr. 80 C.J. Mizell 81 Edwin Baker 82 T.J. McDonald 83 Jawanza Starling 84 Bryce McNeal 85 Morrell Presley 86 Kevin Graf 87 Tom Savage 88 Xavier Su'a Filo 89 Jon Bostic 90 Justin Turner 91 Michael Ford 92 Sheldon Richardson 93 Darrell Givens 94 Corey Brown 95 Donovan Tate 96 Garrett Porter 97 Frankie Telfort 98 Keenan Graham 99 Nick Kasa 100 Eddie Lacy Dorian Bell 9 to 13 (-4) Melvin Fellows 35 to 27 (+8) Johnny Simon 44 to 54 (-10) C.J. Barnett 68 to 77 (-9) Corey Brown 97 to 94 (+3) Jamie Wood N/R to 69 (+ a bunch) Other Buckeyes: 115 Chris Fields (-3) 132 Jordan Whiting (-2) 141 Justin Green (no change) 184 Storm Klein (Storm is one of 21 players who are now no longer on anyone's Top 100 due to FVS' revamped list) McGee is now on the list at 62. Wood & McGee's giant jumps are because they went from being N/R by FVS to coming in at 31 & 33 respectively on the new list (the joys of small data samples). ---For those interested the full spreadsheet can be found HERE. Last edited by Muck; 06-27-2008 at 09:04 PM.
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06-27-2008, 08:55 PM
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Looking at these lists and how they fluctuate without much rhyme or reason really makes you realize how flawed the recruiting-guru evaluation process really is. It is abundantly clear that the kids who are camp rats benefit immensely when it comes time to compile these lists, which is fine b/c they are demonstrating their measurables and natural abilities. On the other hand, it is also abundantly clear that kids who commit early and don't attend the camps are undervalued by these services. I recall reading a statement from someone who was actually on staff at a major university saying essentially that the guys who work for Scout, Rivals, Scout Inc., etc. are working those jobs b/c they can't cut it as actual talent evaluators for major programs (or something along those lines--I'm paraphrasing here). That may be a bit harsh, but you would think that some of these guys from major recruiting sites would take a clue and realize that if a player gets an early offer from the likes of OSU, Texas, USC, Florida, etc., there's probably something there. Some of the rankings on Chris Fields, Storm Klein, and Jordan Whitting, in particular (but also Johnny Simon, IMO) are asinine. We always talk about how well JT develops talent, and that may well be true, but I can't help but think that perhaps the comparative results are skewed by the fact that some of these guys are so undervalued by the so-called neutral observers that evaluate them coming out of high school.
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06-28-2008, 03:20 PM
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The latest Lemming list I can find is from Feb. Does he have an updated one out, and if so...LINK?
CSTV (CBS) uses Bill Hodge's Top 150 list. However if you search by ranking on the database it only gives you up to 100. Anyone know where the full 150 list can be found? Anyone know if Parade Magazine or USA Today publishes a list of rankings? Does Superprep still do their own rankings or have they just been rolled into Scout? Is Blue Chip Illustrated still around? Does anyone have access to the various subscription based rankings (G&W Recruiting Advisor, PrepStar, National Recruiting Advisor etc)? If so shoot me a PM. ---FYI If I do end up using data from any pay sites I will not make their raw data available on the spreadsheet. Any suggestions for changing how I should do the rankings (like going with a total points model instead etc etc)? All comments are welcome! Update: Looking at the Hodge & Lemming list they are almost identical except for: 46 Lendell Buckner & 47 Clayton Moore are switched (Moore 46 & Bucker 47 for Lemming) and... Hodge has Aaron Murray at 100 while Lemming has Deandre Coleman, Jamil Merrell & Pat Patterson tied at 100 (no Aaron Murray). Weird. I'm guessing the Buckner & Moore switch is probably a typo (on which list though?). So for now I'll just use the Hodge version until Lemming updates (mainly because it's the one I typed in first lol ). Edit: Giving Coleman, Merrell & Patterson the tie at 100 would move Coleman up to 101 (from 119) & Patterson up to 61 (from 70). Merrell wouldn't really be affected since it would be the first list he made. Conversely removing Murray would have him fall from 20 to 30 overall. PS - Hate Rivals all you want but they do have Buckeye commits ranked higher on average than the other services (except for Johnny Simon that is). Edit: Just adding a note that ESPN/Scouts Inc (Luginbill's co.) will release their top 150 on Aug 5th. Last edited by Muck; 06-30-2008 at 05:42 PM.
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06-28-2008, 05:17 PM
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The current list with the Hodge/Lemming addition:
1 Matt Barkley 2 Devon Kennard 3 Manti Te'o 4 Russell Shepard 5 Jamarkus McFarland 6 Reuben Randle 7 Bryce Brown 8 Jaccobi McDaniel 9 Garrett Gilbert 10 Craig Loston 11 Chris Davenport 12 Dorian Bell 13 Cierre Wood 14 William Campbell 15 Marlon Brown 16 Dre Kirkpatrick 17 Xavier Nixon 18 Vontaze Burfict 19 Mason Walters 20 Aaron Murray 21 Darius Winston 22 Jelani Jenkins 23 Lamar Miller 24 Randall Carroll 25 Nico Johnson 26 Chris Whaley 27 Donte Moss 28 Gabe Lynn 29 Tana Patrick 30 Jaamal Berry 31 Shaq Evans 32 Logan Heastie 33 Craig Drummond 34 Corey Adams 35 Melvin Fellows 36 Patrick Hall 37 Andre Debose 38 Alex Okafor 39 Johnny Simon 40 Devonte Holloman 41 Logan Thomas 42 Jarvis Jones 43 Eric Shrive 44 Sam Montgomery 45 D.J. Fluker 46 Marcus Hall 47 Kevin Brent 48 Kevin Graf 49 Morgan Moses 50 Je'Ron Stokes 51 Trent Richardson 52 David Oku 53 Dexter Pratt 54 John Martinez 55 Nick Alajajian 56 Kendall Kelly 57 Branden Smith 58 Willie Downs 59 Tom Savage 60 Kevin Newsome 61 Chris Watt 62 Jheranie Boyd 63 Malliciah Goodman 64 Michael Philipp 65 Ronnie Wingo Jr. 66 Ray Ray Armstrong 67 Eddie Lacy 68 Fletcher Cox 69 Damario Jeffery 70 Gary Brown 71 Patrick Patterson 72 Michael Ford 73 Nick Kasa 74 Brandon McGee 75 Rolando Jefferson 76 Cody Green 77 Cliff Harris 78 Chris Bonds 79 Ryne Giddins 80 Rodney Smith 81 Josh Boyd 82 Washaun Ealey 83 Sheldon Richardson 84 Jamie Wood 85 Donovan Tate 86 Abry Jones 87 Morrell Presley 88 Tom Wort 89 Justin Chaisson 90 Christine Michael 91 Ronnell Lewis 92 Tajh Boyd 93 Morgan Newton 94 C.J. Barnett 95 Eugene Smith 96 De'Von Flournoy 97 C.J. Mizell 98 Edwin Baker 99 T.J. McDonald 100 Jawanza Starling Dorian Bell (+1) Melvin Fellows (+/- 0) Johnny Simon (+15) Jamie Wood (-15) C.J. Barnett (-17) Other Buckeyes: 106 Corey Brown (-12) 123 Chris Fields (-8) 148 Jordan Whiting (-16) 164 Justin Green (-23) 188 Storm Klein (-4) (His average is actually higher than before but some players highly ranked by Hodge/Lemming leapfrogged him) ---Kevin Graf's massive jump to 48 is because I had previously entered him twice, splitting his rankings which dropped him. ---Currently USC has the most consensus top 100 verbals with 7, Ohio State is second with 5 & Georgia is third with 4. Current version online HERE. Last edited by Muck; 06-28-2008 at 07:13 PM.
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