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View Poll Results: How Far Are You Willing To Go...?
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I'd do it just like JT (soft sell approach)
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Play fair, but push harder (hard sell approach)
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Make false promises to recruits ("Sure you can play safety, Prescott....")
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Negatively recruit the competition (the Larry Johnson, Sr. specialty)
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Make illegal contact with recruits ("Hey, Dwayne, this is Pete calling....")
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A few little extras (hats, jerseys, gym bags - who's gonna notice?)
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Illegal employment opportunities ("Did Rhett show up for work today...?")
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The SEC approach (condos and Cadillacs)
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07-27-2007, 05:20 PM
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Junior
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If you recruit with character and honesty, you'll get the right kind of kid to commit (ie, Garrett Goebel). Stay the same, it's working fine on the field.
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07-27-2007, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SweetBuckeye
If you recruit with character and honesty, you'll get the right kind of kid to commit (ie, Garrett Goebel). Stay the same, it's working fine on the field.
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Exactly! You can add to that list C. Wells, Mike Brewster, Mike Adams, JB Shugarts, Stoneburner, etc. etc.
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07-27-2007, 10:47 PM
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I think. Therefore, I am
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Oneshot - I have to say, I'm a little shocked at your position. I do appreciate your honesty on the issue, but I just can't agree that it's OK to break the rules (I think you said bend, which I admit is slightly different) when so much is on the line (in terms of money for the schools, in terms of the development of young men, etc.)
I agree that cheating is nothing new.. that setting someone up with the "right guy" for a cheap deal on a great car is common place... But, what you're doing when you "buy" a player is creating an atmosphere of individuals. First off, most of these D-IA type athletes have been "THE MAN" at their HS. Now they're getting freebies and being coddled and not learning the first thing about humility or how to behave... the law becomes below them. They always have someone take care of it... and why do they think this? Because someone ALWAYS has for them.. all because they could run fast, or catch or throw....
And... the next thing you know, you've got a Chris Henry on your hands... a Mo C... a Mike Vick... (Just throwing some names out, not really thinking too much about the particulars)
Meanwhile, by telling a kid "No" I will not cheat to obtain your services - even where someone else will (and does) - you're saying "look, kid... you're good, but you're not all that matters." We don't need a bunch of individuals who might have all world talent, but can't play on a team. Who cant be told by a coach where they need to improve. Teams win sporting events, not individuals ('cept for maybe Basketball, where an individual talent can take over a game unlike Football)... not talent and talent alone. Guys who commit on the "soft cell" want to be there.. want to be part of the TEAM... guys who have to get "wined and dined" are in it for themselves. And, while they may win individual awards, the bulk of them won't obtain success. (Although, at the end of the day, they'll sign a multi-million dollar deal... so.. what do they care... until the Feds come knocking, I guess.... which is rare)
While I can see the "hard sell" technique having it's place, I simply cannot agree with your tacit approval of the more underhanded approaches.
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07-27-2007, 10:59 PM
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Incidentally, if my giving a recruit a gym bag and some extra shirts is the difference between him coming to my school and going to some other, I think maybe that kid's not for me. While I don't necessarily see the "foul" as extreme, I just can't imagine that I'd want a player who is so easily persuaded.
Indeed, a better test might be to offer these sorts of freebies, and if the guy accepts telling him to go pound salt, get some self respect, and have a nice life. If he declines, then you know you've got a kid who knows what's important. But, again... I really don't see the harm in a free T-Shirt or gym bag or what not. I suppose it's more about what those freebies "lead to" (in a marijuana's a gateway drug sense)
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"Reality is merely a framework for imagination" 9/25/05
"I am firmly convinced that Charlie Weis didn't have any idea as to how good the Buckeyes were defensively." - Brent Musburger
I'd rather be a prison whore than root for Michigan --- Long live the PCP
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07-27-2007, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SweetBuckeye
If you recruit with character and honesty, you'll get the right kind of kid to commit (ie, Garrett Goebel). Stay the same, it's working fine on the field.
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But, what you're doing when you "buy" a player is creating an atmosphere of individuals. First off, most of these D-IA type athletes have been "THE MAN" at their HS. Now they're getting freebies and being coddled and not learning the first thing about humility or how to behave... the law becomes below them. They always have someone take care of it... and why do they think this? Because someone ALWAYS has for them.. all because they could run fast, or catch or throw....
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That about sums it up for me. Credit to BKB for the second quote. Once people lose respect for your integrity, it's tough to be a trusted leader. I'm talking important stuff, like football, not politics.  |
07-27-2007, 11:00 PM
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Woody is my hero
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Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck
Every year, we hear the same old routine: "Tressel can't close! ... JT is a lazy recruiter! ... Ohio State doesn't show kids enough love! ... The Buckeyes don't push kids hard enough for a commitment! ).
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I can't really believe that anyone can take exception with the recruiting job JT is done. All the guy has done is win a NC, beat the snot out of everyone including tsun. which we all know that everyone one in here would drag their testicles over broken glass if only we beat them more than they beat us let alone 5 of 6. Oh sure we can all wish we had gotten this guy or that one but we can't get them all. Or maybe we shopuld bring back Cooper. we all know he was a heck of a recruiter.
Give me a break!
In recognition of those who disagree with the success JT has had I offer....
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