CBF40'S Look at '09 recruiting

[Muck]

Originally Posted by BuckeyesFan0623

has anyone else heard about this

I know their coaches voted in favor of an early signing period for football.

Then their athletic director's reminded them that th NCAA doesn't allow the SEC to make up every rule it wants.

Other than that I haven't a clue.

[gracelhink]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

Update time once again...

What a huge weekend we had...I was gone from the computer, so missed most of the fun, but think that I have caught up on a lot of it...5 commits in one weekend, is just what we needed...Now we have about 5 or 6 spots left, and we basically have a feel for penciling those guys in...

. . .
OL: Watt (Added him, still think that ND/Mich are big players here, but we still have a solid shot...No real update here, but still looks like a solid shot...)


. . . So right now I have 28 spots on the list...That might be one too high...Still think the target # is 27...You make room for the right person tho...

Think Vlad and Berry are just a matter of getting them and their moms up here for visits and those two will be sealed...

As for Hall and Newsome just a matter of time, and visits for them IMO...

We will know on the 4th lineman by end of summer...It will either be Watt, or we will send an offer to Longo or Prior who I believe will commit on the spot...

22 + Hall + Newsome + Berry + Vlad + 4th olineman + TE + McGee + Adams/Ezell = 30...

So it is still a little bit of a numbers crunch, but right now that is what the board looks like IMO, and we will only see 27/28 in the class so for the second TE spot they might want to jump on the offer...

. . . Hope you guys enjoy...

Thanks 40 we do enjoy, what a treasure you are to this board!
I bolded the 4th olineman that you indicate are going to be added to the class, and wonder if this might be an area where the staff would cut back.
Remembering last year's class with Jenkins, and other years when the numbers got crunched OL was the position that got "downsized".
If Watt does not verbal, is there any chance Bollman would be willing to "reconsider" his need in "09, and make another spot for a skill position, Banks, Vlad, McGee, or even Sims or Ezell?

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by gracelhink

Thanks 40 we do enjoy, what a treasure you are to this board!
I bolded the 4th olineman that you indicate are going to be added to the class, and wonder if this might be an area where the staff would cut back.
Remembering last year's class with Jenkins, and other years when the numbers got crunched OL was the position that got "downsized".
If Watt does not verbal, is there any chance Bollman would be willing to "reconsider" his need in "09, and make another spot for a skill position, Banks, Vlad, McGee, or even Sims or Ezell?

There are going to be 4 olineman in this class...You can bank that...

All the guys...Longo, Prior, Klatt, Spiker have been told to wait a week to 10 days to hear what the staff plans on doing...

THey are probably wanting to get a feeling from Watt who was here on Sunday...

Don't be surprised to hear something sooner than 7 days tho...If any of the guys get an offer, they are added to the list and Watt is moved off IMO...

Most at this point would tell you that Longo is leading the race in terms of the 4 listed above...Seems to be a guy that can play guard or tackle...prior could as well...

[RB07OSU]

I was just thinking and the '08 and '09 classes are going to go well with each other. As far as rankings go, we got a good number of "elite" 5 star prospects in '08 (Pryor, Adams, Brewster, Posey, and Sabino) but total numbers were down. This year we have a ton of really good 4 star top 100 or 250 guys to add depth. I think these two classes are going to be ridiculously good:
QB: Terrelle Pryor
RB: Carlos Hyde, Jamaal Berry?
APB/Slot WR: Lamar Thomas, Jordan Hall
FB: Jermil Martin, Adam Homan, Zach Boren
WR: DeVier Posey, Jake Stoneburner, Chris Fields, James Jackson, Duron Carter (Justin Green, Lamar Thomas, Jordan Hall possibly mixing in)
TE: Nic DeLillo, Reid Fragel
OT: Mike Adams, J.B. Shugarts, Marcus Hall?, Sam Longo?
OG: Mike Brewster, Justin Boren, Corey Linsley, Chris Watt?
C: Jack Mewhort
DE: Keith Wells, Nathan Williams, Melvin Fellows, Jonathan Newsome, Muldoon/Adams/Ezell?
DT: Garret Goebel, Willie Mobley, Shaq Rowell, John Simon, Adam Bellamy
OLB: Andrew Sweat, Dorian Bell, Jordan Whiting (maybe Klein)
MLB: Etienne Sabino, Storm Klein
S: Ohrian Johnson, Zach Domicone, Jamie Wood, Brad McDougald, Vlad Emiien?
CB: Travis Howard, CJ Barnett, Justin Green, Corey Brown, Dominique Clarke, Brandon McGee?
K/P: Ben Buchanon

- I am absolutely stoked when stacking these two classes up. Terelle Pryor is a major threat at all times, but adding all the weapons and protection around him, this offense could be unstoppable. Then the defense is stacked with studs and we are VERY deep on the defensive side of the ball. The only real positions that I would like to see another stud at is TE and RB. We are likely landing Berry, so that will be huge. However, I am really hoping we get Hageman...he is what the doctor ordered at TE. I am extremely high on Hageman and he is a real field stretcher. I truly believe some championships are going to come from these two classes.

[RB07OSU]

Originally Posted by BuckeyesFan0623

I know this a little off topic , but i read in sporting news that the SEC was trying to get the LOI signings moved up to September and that the NCAA will be voting on it ( they didn't give dates if anyone else has heard ) . They said this would all but stop coaches poaching other schools commits ( Re : Rich Rod ) and also it gives the kids the option to sign and stop all the calls , letters , and so forth and let them get on with their senior year . If anyone has heard anything about this please let me know i definatly want to know when it would take effect .

A poll recently showed 60% of coaches are in favor of an early signing period. I know that the recruiting services likely aren't too fond of the idea. JT is in favor of the early signing period though. It seems inevitable that the idea will at least be proposed in the near future and I have heard early December, before bowl games, is when it would happen. Personally I don't like the idea...I say let the process go. I know players that comitted too early because they weren't educated on the process in sports that allow you to sign early, only wanting to talk to schools that were calling them later. I say the current system is the best and they should just monitor the coaches ethics...if the recruit says no more contact, a coach should allow it. However, if the recruit wants to look around to confirm a decision, or gets more offers he wants to entertain, let them be recruited. Seems the best way to me.

[sepia5]

Originally Posted by RB07OSU

OG: Mike Brewster
C: Jack Mewhort

Looking at that list is certainly impressive. By the way, did I miss some news? Shouldn't those two be reversed? Last I heard Brewster was center all the way and Mewhort was OG, maybe even OT.

[swimwin39]

Awesome chart RB07. Do you consider Justin Boren too?

[RB07OSU]

Originally Posted by sepia5

Looking at that list is certainly impressive. By the way, did I miss some news? Shouldn't those two be reversed? Last I heard Brewster was center all the way and Mewhort was OG, maybe even OT.

Just a guess...I think Brewster could play either and likely will play some guard. Brewster has a nasty pull block and I would like to see him at guard personally. Centers occasionally pull but in any event, just a guess.

[RB07OSU]

Originally Posted by swimwin39

Awesome chart RB07. Do you consider Justin Boren too?

Good catch...our interior OL will be sick. So will the rest of it but I forgot about Boren.

[BuckeyesFan0623]

Originally Posted by RB07OSU

A poll recently showed 60% of coaches are in favor of an early signing period. I know that the recruiting services likely aren't too fond of the idea. JT is in favor of the early signing period though. It seems inevitable that the idea will at least be proposed in the near future and I have heard early December, before bowl games, is when it would happen. Personally I don't like the idea...I say let the process go. I know players that comitted too early because they weren't educated on the process in sports that allow you to sign early, only wanting to talk to schools that were calling them later. I say the current system is the best and they should just monitor the coaches ethics...if the recruit says no more contact, a coach should allow it. However, if the recruit wants to look around to confirm a decision, or gets more offers he wants to entertain, let them be recruited. Seems the best way to me.

thanks for the info and yeah , our whole freaking team looks sick .

[Tresselbeliever]

Great list. You forgot Justin Boren. He's going to be a huge piece of the puzzle. Here's how I see next year's 2 deep:

1st Team Offense:
QB: Pryor (Tressel will be a great mentor for this kid. If he chooses to learn).
TB: Herron (Herron is more consistent at picking up positive yardage on the ground than Saine. The Spring Game set him up to be the 2nd back IMO).
FB: Martin (if not, one of the walk-ons)
TE: Ballard (3rd Tackle but can make catches)
WR: Hartline (Big possession-type guy who can occassionally surprise people with his speed. He'll be a much needed leader on the offense)
WR: Washington (It's a tough call between him and Posey. I'm calling Washington because he has more reps and experience)
LT: Adams (Hopefully he'll get some pt this season)
LG: J. Boren (He'll be solid here)
C: Cordle (Valuable player who will be a 3rd year starter making the calls)
RG: Smith (He'll be solid here)
RT: Browning (Might be a Sims type that is better suited to play inside)

2nd Team Offense:
QB: Bauserman (Throws a good deep-ball and will get a ton of reps as the team only has 2 QBs going into next season).
TB: Saine/Hyde/Berry/J. Hall (Saine has to show that he has RB instincts. If not the young puppies will soon pass him)
FB: Z. Boren (His brother probably make the offer a little easier but he's a good fit at this position)
TE: DiLillo
WR: Posey (Has potential to come on towards the end of the season)
WR: Stoneburner (Just a matter of time here)
LT: Miller
LG: Blankenship
C: Brewster
RG: Browning
RT: Shugarts

Honorable mentions: Thomas, Sanzenbacher and Small add great depth at WR.

1st Team Defense:
DE: Heyward (Who would trade him for Barksdale now?)
DT: Denlinger (3rd year starter)
DT: Larimore
DE: Gibson (Bulk up a little more?)
LB: Homan (Time for a healthy Homan)
LB: Sabino (going to be an AA here)
LB: Hines (Closes the sidelines fast)
S: Russell
S: Coleman
CB: Chekwa (Time to take the next step this season)
CB: Amos (A great SR year would get him drafted)
(NB): Moeller (To much speed and hitting ability to leave off the field)

2nd Team Defense:
DE: Thomas
DT: Worthington (Has a little trouble bulking up)
DT: Goebel
DE: Williams (Going to be a beast off the edge)
LB: Sweat (budding star here)
LB: Spitler
LB: Rolle
S: Oliver
S: Gant
CB: Scott
CB: Howard

Note: It's time for guys in the secondary who have been buried in the depth chart to step up or else they will be quickly overtaken by the monster class coming in. LB recruiting has been spectacular. The DT has replenished. Williams is going to be a heck of a player here. The main concern is at safety, should Coleman and/or Russell leaves.

[Oh8ch]

Boren may be a new addition, but from a class perspective I would argue he is part of '07. When he is eligible again he will be a RS Junior - same as Evan Blankenship.

Oops - make that part of the '06 class. Blankenship will be a RS Soph in '09.

Great chart nonetheless.

[MUBuck]

Originally Posted by Oh8ch

Boren may be a new addition, but from a class perspective I would argue he is part of '07. When he is eligible again he will be a RS Junior - same as Evan Blankenship.

Oops - make that part of the '06 class. Blankenship will be a RS Soph in '09.

Great chart nonetheless.

Looking at how stacked that list is, my main concern is how many kids will transfer is they aren't getting PT? An injury in the off-season or a bad academic quarter could literally bury someone in the depth chart. All of these kids are very talented, but how long will they be willing to wait to see the field?

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

There are going to be 4 olineman in this class...You can bank that...

We have 23 commits with 2 OL (Linsley and Mewhort). Hall would be the third OL (if he does play OL instead of DL), and the 24th commit. Many are counting Berry and Emilien as all but in, so if they indeed are, that's 26 commits. Taking a fourth OL would give us 27 commits. This means we'd need 25 slots for the 2009 class (currently 23), and two commits to enroll early to be counted against the 2008 class. If Clifford transfers as expected that gives us 24 slots, and it's all but a lock one of the juniors will bail for the NFL, so we should have 25 available. Still, we need two to enroll early (Barnett looks like one) to enable us to sign 27 players while keeping the 2009 count at 25.

[sepia5]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

We have 23 commits with 2 OL (Linsley and Mewhort). Hall would be the third OL (if he does play OL instead of DL), and the 24th commit. Many are counting Berry and Emilien as all but in, so if they indeed are, that's 26 commits. Taking a fourth OL would give us 27 commits. This means we'd need 25 slots for the 2009 class (currently 23), and two commits to enroll early to be counted against the 2008 class. If Clifford transfers as expected that gives us 24 slots, and it's all but a lock one of the juniors will bail for the NFL, so we should have 25 available. Still, we need two to enroll early (Barnett looks like one) to enable us to sign 27 players while keeping the 2009 count at 25.

But we CAN go up to 28 in one class so long as (1) we provide a written explanation to the league detailing how we intend to be at or under 85 total scholarships prior to the beginning of the subsequent season and (2) actually get at or under 85 prior to the beginning of the subsequent season, right? Maybe I'm wrong there, but that's always been my understanding and in line with things I've read. So we could easily have 2 or 3 go early into the draft, and that would solve the problem too, even if only Barnett enrolls early. I don't see any negative connotation associated with going over 25 so long as we don't pull an SEC and sign kids we know we don't have room for. On the other hand, you are acting in a purely speculative manner if you sign kids now and rely on juniors to leave early. . . .