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Originally Posted by fourteenandoh
The fact that the saudis have every reason in the world to keep the rise of oil prices under control (so their junkies stay hooked if you will) and haven't should be blatantly clear to everyone that they don't have the supply some seem to think they do. If they had the oil they would be flooding the market with it at 136 bucks per barrel but they aren't.
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actually in my mind it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it isn't a supply problem. which many of us have believed from the beginning.
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But Iran, a fellow OPEC member, said earlier that it did not see the need for a special summit before the organization's next scheduled meeting in September. The record prices had nothing to do with a supply shortage, it added.
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Originally Posted by utgrad73
Not bursting my bubble, but a president can initiate alternative fuel programs and cut the cord from foreign oil. Anything can help reduce our dependency, we need to start now and stop talking about it.
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unfortunately there really isn't a clear cut technology that is the "gasoline of the future". hydrogen is probably the best option but is a long way from being mainstream ready. because of this politicians and their special interest groups have really manipulated the situation for their own personal gain pushing technologies that have very little to no positive impact. these technologies have sucked down alot of the money that was set aside for alternative fuel research.
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Originally Posted by utgrad73
Who elects these guys? We have the power to select an effective President and Congress.
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i don't think we actually have the power you speak of. we don't elect the president and when you find yourself breaking down your options in order to select the candidate who will do the least damage. its hard to be overly optimistic.
heres the problem with our form of government. a politician is by definition a professional partier. thats what they do for a living. they raise money for their campaigns. they are very good at working a room and charming people into financial donations. we have in essence created a country that is lead by drunken frat boys. whats that mr. clinton? you didn't inhale? whats that mr. bush? you fried so many brain cells in your youth you can't form a complete sentence?
the problem isn't that bush is an incompetent fool. the real problem is that the selection process and manner in which elections are carried out is fundamentally flawed. it excludes the most capable and promotes those who you otherwise wouldn't trust to park your car.
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Originally Posted by Taosman
The only immediate help comes from conservation. The move to more fuel efficient vehicles. That will reduce demand. But, it's a band aid for the bigger problem.
Energy independence/or near is the only answer.
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agreed. we really need to start pushing car companies to not only come up with innovative new technologies such as hybrid and hydrogen. but to start using the fuel efficient technologies they already have available to them. the fact that europe is driving 60+mpg diesels and the best you can do in the states is a 40mpg hybrid is a flat out joke and an embarrassment. european, japanese, and american car makers have all dropped the ball.
06-10-2008, 08:47 PM
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