Armstrong's on the juice? - Page 2

Steve19 · #16 (**permalink**) 04-02-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Folanator

Don't post here and spout off and regurgitate some ESPN bull[censored] ...We don't need your slander of one of the true great american heros.

Ditto. We know why ESPiN engages in slandering a true hero who has gone through what he has gone through, because some hanger-on wants to extort money and it makes for revenue? Let's not assist these wonderful investigative journalists, okay?

Oh8ch · #17 (**permalink**) 04-02-2005, 05:34 PM

We live in a jaded world where the antics of folks like Mark Mcgwire make us all a bit skeptical. That - and the need for some alternative explanation of any outstanding performance - can explain why some folks would want to listen to Armstrong's accuser.

On the other hand, the antics of ESPN and the distorted reports regarding OSU should make us all skeptical of accusations from any quarter.

The fact is that Lance Armstrong is an increcible athelte - and probably my #1 sports hero. To do what he has done even IF he was juiced is an amzaing accomlishment - particularly since he has beaten other riders who have proven to be juiced.

If it should ever come out that Armstrong took any illegal substance I would be very disappointed to learn that he was a liar - but he would still be my hero.

powerlifter · #18 (**permalink**) 04-02-2005, 05:47 PM

It's hard to tell. Sounds like a fishy story with a vendetta against someone. My guess is he's talkin about epo. People that are saying he's been tested a million times.. It raises hct within weeks and it has a low window for detection. I could careless what he is running or isn't running ..he is an amazing individual.

bucknut11 · #19 (**permalink**) 04-02-2005, 05:49 PM

Just to clarify a few things, E$PN is NOT the only ones running this story and they are NOT the ones who created it. It's an AP story and ALL of the major sports sites are reporting the accusations (E$PN, SI, CBS Sportsline, Fox Sports, even Yahoo! sports). I know alot of people here hate that organization and rightly so, but let's not go say that any negative sports story is their work. I said earlier, there's a expanding trend in looking for pro athletes who are taking illegal substances in ALL sports and until it dies down, we are going to hear about it, especially those athletes at the top of their respective sport. That doesn't make any of them true or false, per se, but the stories are going to be there.

Folanator · #20 (**permalink**) 04-03-2005, 04:32 PM

11 this has nothing to do with ESPN. This is old news, it came out right before the TD France May of last year.

My irritation comes from the comments about "the juice" by posters that obviously have zero idea of what they are talking about. Steroids do absolutely nothing for guys that are doing what they do in the TDF. Durring heavy lifting cycles maybe, but not while racing.

I am not naive in thinking that LA does not do anything. I would be very upset, and I do not think that he is, but I am not stupid. Quite frankly I am 90% sure that almost everyone in the pro peleton are doing something.

I have been told that LA has a legal advantage because he can legally boost his hematocrit levels because of the chemo damaging his system.

I NEVER thought that Tyler Hamilton would have been doping but he was. He was blood packing before the Olympics. They found foreign cells in his blood, Tyler swears it was from an operation from months before. I love Tyler but I do not believe him unfortunately.

There is a condition called the "tall tulip syndrome" where is is human nature to chop down those who are bigger than the rest of us. If you are going to take shots at Lance you better have your facts in order.

bucknut11 · #21 (**permalink**) 04-03-2005, 04:44 PM

For starters, I'm not sure where I ever took a shot at Lance, so if you can show me, that'd be great. Never once did I say that he was doing anything illegal, and honestly, I really hope he isn't because of what a great inspiration he has become.

You referred to the story as "ESPN bullsh*t" and Steve19 said that "ESPiN engages in slandering a true hero." I was just pointing out the fact that they weren't the ones who created these allegations.

Folanator · #22 (**permalink**) 04-03-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bucknut11

For starters, I'm not sure where I ever took a shot at Lance, so if you can show me, that'd be great. Never once did I say that he was doing anything illegal, and honestly, I really hope he isn't because of what a great inspiration he has become.

You referred to the story as "ESPN bullsh*t" and Steve19 said that "ESPiN engages in slandering a true hero." I was just pointing out the fact that they weren't the ones who created these allegations.

No you didn't take a shot at LA. I did not mean to insinuate you were. I was back commenting on the post from page 1. Your comments were fine.

I understand your point. I am just miffed that these are just a re-hashing of some old news.

No worries.

bucknut11 · #23 (**permalink**) 04-03-2005, 05:40 PM

Vikes · #24 (**permalink**) 04-03-2005, 09:06 PM

If steroids is included in performance enhancement drug category, why can't erythropoietin or any drug that increases the number RBC's in the blood?

Playing devils advocate.

Erythropoietin occurs naturally in the body but if a person is allowed to inject whatever amount in him/her, that may give him an unfair advantage over someoneelse.
If there is increased RBCs, increased cells to carry oxygen/ and get rid of carbondioxide therefore less lactic acid and possibly an advantage, in cycling.

Has there been a study to see the effects of erythropoietin in sports?
Only studies I'm aware of .....are those that show its effects at ameliorating Anemia.

America loves peope who fight adversity and they love heroes. However, I think more research needs to be done in terms of what substances Armstrong is taking.