Duke lax and accusations

[Fungo Squiggly]

Originally Posted by Bucklion

I thought it was Rashard Casey who was supposed to have assaulted a police officer? Anyway, your point is dead on in my opinion.

I think you are probably correct there. Robinson didn't sound right, but I couldn't think of the other guy's name. Thanks.

[Folanator]

Originally Posted by Bucky Katt

Eh, but when JoePa lets Michael Robinson play after being accused of assaulting a police officer, or when Bobby Bowden lets a guy play, even when he is accused of something, or when Bill Snyder lets Roberson playing even though he has been accused of sexual assault, it is because they ar eonly interested in winning football games. The university is in a lose/lose situation as far as PR from the situation.

If they don't suspend the season immediately, there is a huge uproar about over-privileged youth and underlying racism. Even if the players end up innocent, the media and protestors will still remember the lack of immediacy in handling the situation.

If they suspend the season immediately, they have people accusing them of disregarding the legal system and taking justice into their own hands. "So much for innocent 'til proven guilty." Etc, etc.

I'd rather they take a decisive action and stick to their guns rather than be wishy-washy about and let the media and protesters push the university into an action which may not be apropos for the situation. The university ought to be making a decision based on fact, not based upon the media's portrayal of fact and the demands of protesters who know ZERO about what actually happened in that house that night.

EDIT - Jeez. I missed all of page two before posting this. Sorry if I am reiterating some points.

Ahhhh, the old Ready....FIRE...Aim method of punishment. Sounds like a well thought out and fair way of doing things. That gives woman WAY too much power. If they don't like it than they can just say sexual harassment or whatever. Happens all the time.

Look, I just talked to a friend that I coach with who played Lax for OSU. He played for the Duke coach in Baltimore and said that he was a hard ass-ed disciplinarian that was forced to quit by the university. He also says that the "townies" will use any means necessary to get the "Dukies". The school knows that there is a huge economic and social divide between the school and the general population. They should have waited to get the full story. Forfeit all the games until all the facts are in. They should have not acted before they knew what really happened.

[methomps]

Originally Posted by Folanator

Common Thomps. No way. They did not embarrass the University, this apparent fabricated situation did. It sounds like the rape never took place.

But that does NOT excuse the school from giving the death sentence to a team and 45 kids for underage drinking and seeing a stripper? [censored] Boone did worse than this by underage drinking and driving. Should he be gone for good?

Just because the school got embarrassed is not a reason to justify their actions because it does not appear the crime matches the punishment.

Well I disagree that they did not embarrass the university. This has been a major story all over the country the last couple days. This incident has left an image of Duke as a university at odds with its community whose students (or at least student-athletes) are wild, racist drunks who write vulgar emails about killing strippers.

Of course it isn't national news, but the DNA evidence doesn't change the fact that it was brought to the nation's attention.

Does the crime match the punishment? Maybe not. But playing lax at Duke isn't an entitlement. It's a privilege.

Regardless of the status of the criminal case, playing lax games at this point is only asking for trouble. There is still a lot of turmoil in the community and in the student body. Scraping the season and starting over next year seems like a prudent course of action.

At the least, it gives time to examine the culture of the lax program. It looks like they didn't rape the stripper, but since 1999 almost a third of Duke lax players have been charged with some crime. One out of three for the past 7 years.

[Thump]

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[Folanator]

Well I disagree that they did not embarrass the university. This has been a major story all over the country the last couple days. This incident has left an image of Duke as a university at odds with its community whose students (or at least student-athletes) are wild, racist drunks who write vulgar emails about killing strippers.

Thomps, read my post above about the community Duke relationship. The townies HATE the Dukies. It has been at odds for years and the school knows this. Because they knew it was contentious is all the more reason to get all the facts.

Of course it isn't national news, but the DNA evidence doesn't change the fact that it was brought to the nation's attention.

By a drunk stripper that appears to have lied.

Does the crime match the punishment? Maybe not. But playing lax at Duke isn't an entitlement. It's a privilege.

True, but they should at least have the crime fit the punishment. This is the same argument that people make about Troy Smith. People said kick him off the team to make an example of him and let the rest of the world know that we are serious about dicipline. Zero tolerence. Well thank goodness JT did the right thing and made the punishment apprpriate. Look where Troy is today, he looks like he learned. That is what schools are for, to teach.

Regardless of the status of the criminal case, playing lax games at this point is only asking for trouble. There is still a lot of turmoil in the community and in the student body. Scraping the season and starting over next year seems like a prudent course of action.

The comminity already hates Duke.

At the least, it gives time to examine the culture of the lax program. It looks like they didn't rape the stripper, but since 1999 almost a third of Duke lax players have been charged with some crime. One out of three for the past 7 years.

I saw a lot of public drunkenness, fighting and urinating in public. Sounds like my entire school career. They aren't doing any felonies that I saw. Alot of drunk boys being boys.

[methomps]

Originally Posted by Folanator

Thomps, read my post above about the community Duke relationship. The townies HATE the Dukies. It has been at odds for years and the school knows this. Because they knew it was contentious is all the more reason to get all the facts.

The point is now the whole nation knows about it, and a lot of people probably side with the townies given the behavior of the lax team. That is what I mean by embarrassment and shame brought on the university.

Originally Posted by Folanator

By a drunk stripper that appears to have lied.

A drunk stripper which they hired to come to their house and perform.

Originally Posted by Folanator

True, but they should at least have the crime fit the punishment. This is the same argument that people make about Troy Smith. People said kick him off the team to make an example of him and let the rest of the world know that we are serious about dicipline. Zero tolerence. Well thank goodness JT did the right thing and made the punishment apprpriate. Look where Troy is today, he looks like he learned. That is what schools are for, to teach.

Consider other motives beside punishment. When one in every three lax players is getting charged with a crime, it's clear that the culture of the team needs to be investigated and dealt with. There is also the interest in eliminating potential opportunities for conflict (like a lax game) until things cool down.

Originally Posted by Folanator

The comminity already hates Duke.

Yes, and there is more likely to be an incident now than next season.

Originally Posted by Folanator

I saw a lot of public drunkenness, fighting and urinating in public. Sounds like my entire school career. They aren't doing any felonies that I saw. Alot of drunk boys being boys.

Well the drunk boys won't be playing lax. I just graduated from college. I know the culture. I enjoyed my time there. But I didn't see one out of every three students getting arrested. That number is a little high, and it indicative of something more than boys being boys.

[jimotis4heisman]

thomps, not to call you or the usc program out but what was the course of action when herschel dennis? i think he was one of the ones and the usc sex scandal. you know more about your program and what not and the details.