Duke lax and accusations

[Folanator]

Originally Posted by StadiumDorm

Ummmm... the lack of DNA evidence here is not at all surprising to me.

Some of the allegations here are that the players were changing their names to confuse their identity. When I heard that, I was surprised to find out that they would have left any DNA evidence at all. I mean, why go to such lengths to hide your identity only to give up the best evidence possible to establish your identity? They seemed to have covered their tracks pretty good on one end, so why wouldn't they have on the other?

Something's still not right here.

Yup that's it, those Animal House drunken frat parties with strippers are soooooooo well known for their attention to detail. I am sure that after two kegs they were able to get every hair and bodily fluid out and off of a drunk stripper and fool them silly ol' DNA tests. OJ, is that you?

The cops and the DA look like they jumped the gun and said stupid stuff in the press after they found the e-mails. Well, it sure appears to me that the e-mails (while cryptic and demented) were not the smoking gun evidence they thought. I am sure that the DA has stained himself when the DNA test came back negative. He is screwed unless there is more.

The DA has No positive ID. No hard evidence.

The Defence has hard evidence of pictures showing she had bruises before the alleged rape took place. The players stories so far have been proved true with DNA tests to be accurate.

Clearly these guys were freeken animals. But it sure appears that the thing that is not right is that no one expected this girl to lie (allegedly) and ruin the lives of multiple men.

[OH10]

Originally Posted by Folanator

Yup that's it, those Animal House drunken frat parties with strippers are soooooooo well known for their attention to detail. I am sure that after two kegs they were able to get every hair and bodily fluid out and off of a drunk stripper and fool them silly ol' DNA tests. OJ, is that you?

The cops and the DA look like they jumped the gun and said stupid stuff in the press after they found the e-mails. Well, it sure appears to me that the e-mails (while cryptic and demented) were not the smoking gun evidence they thought. I am sure that the DA has stained himself when the DNA test came back negative. He is screwed unless there is more.

Easy now. I'm trying my best not to jump to any conclusions. Public perception of this case has been based on stupid prosecutor and attorney statements, and momentum - which is on the defense side now. But I'm saying that I don't think this may be over just yet. It could. It couldn't. Maybe we should all reserve judgment until and unless the prosecutor states he is not pursuing charges or until and unless there is a conviction.

As far as the DA goes... I posted this on the second page of the thread.

This sounds like a real [censored]ed up situation. But this is inappropriate:

"If it's not the way it's been reported, then why are they so unwilling to tell us what, in their words, did take place that night?" Nifong told Smith on Thursday. "And one would wonder why one needs an attorney if one was not charged and had not doing anything wrong."

He's not supposed to make his case to the public and the media, especially where a potential jury pool could be tainted. These are arguments he couldn't even [censored]ing make in court. This District Attorney should be reprimanded and taken off the case.

[Folanator]

Originally Posted by StadiumDorm

Easy now. I'm trying my best not to jump to any conclusions. Public perception of this case has been based on stupid prosecutor and attorney statements, and momentum - which is on the defense side now. But I'm saying that I don't think this may be over just yet. It could. It couldn't. Maybe we should all reserve judgment until and unless the prosecutor states he is not pursuing charges or until and unless there is a conviction.

I thought that you were insinuating that the kids had either cleaned up the scene or did it in cooperation with the police. On ESPN they had some community members saying that they thought that the evidence was tampered with, a la OJ and that the kids were guilty no matter what the evidence said.

I completely agree with you that we need to wait till the evidence is in. I think this entire thing could go either way still. I just wish the University had done the same thing.

[BB73]

From one of the earliest articles on the situation, almost 2 weeks ago:

Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong, lead investigator in the alleged rape case involving the Duke men's lacrosse team, said Thursday that he expects to file charges including first-degree forcible rape, first-degree kidnapping, and first-degree sexual offense, if the case can be made based on the gathered evidence.

I wonder if there is other evidence that hasn't been discussed, or whether the DA totally screwed up when he said he "expects to file charges." Did he only base his belief that a crime had occurred on:

a) her word, and
b) the bruises and scratches on her body, which the defense now claims show on time-stamped photos upon her arrival at the house?

It's always a mess when cases get tried by the media - which seems to always occur whenever sexual allegations are involved. And racial overtones only add to the frenzy.

[jimotis4heisman]

anyone hear/see the da's presser?

it seemed very political with applauses and what not, reminded me of a political speech.

[RugbyBuck]

This may have been addressed, but who [censored]s a stripper without a condom?

[Thump]

Originally Posted by RugbyBuck

This may have been addressed, but who [censored]s a stripper without a condom?

Golferdow probably would.

[Folanator]

Originally Posted by Thump

Golferdow probably would.

and third in line.....

Was he saying that there was more evindence to follow? Is he still going to press on the case?