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Originally Posted by fourteenandoh
I agree that Tiger had self inflicted issues this week. I noticed early that Tiger was on edge all week. He was letting himself get bothered by mediocre shots rather than playing on. He was complaining a lot (even by his standards) after many of his shots.
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He couldn't make a putt, couldn't hit a fairway, and was consistently disappointed with his play.
And he finished second! At the Masters, against the best competition in the world! Does anyone else find this unreal? People (including Tiger himself) have ridiculous expectations of Tiger, where anything less than winning every tournament is a failure. I think this all-or-nothing mentality in sports ruins it sometimes. It's kind of like Ohio State losing in the NCG two years in a row... it hurts, but by any rational standards we ought to be pretty pleased. Except it is even more ridiculous for Tiger because he is, as an individual, competing against 80+ other golfers, and must beat every one of them.
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04-14-2008, 08:58 PM
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Greatest golfer of all time. The proof is in the fact that people criticize him and find faults in his game when he finishes second in a major.
I love Jack Nicklaus, who was my childhood idol. Tiger is in another level of atmosphere altogether. Even Jack agrees.
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04-14-2008, 09:08 PM
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When doesn't Tiger get pissed at poor shots? He's got one of the hottest tempers on tour. Tiger just hasn't played very well over his last 2 tournaments. Simple as that...it's just bad timing it happened to be Masters week.
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that's why i said in parenthesis "even by his standards" to me, it was blatantly obvious that he was pressing all week rather than letting it come to him like he usually does. he had the game to win it but he got in his own way which is very unusual. that's not a criticism its an observation.
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04-14-2008, 09:18 PM
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that's why i said in parenthesis "even by his standards" to me, it was blatantly obvious that he was pressing all week rather than letting it come to him like he usually does. he had the game to win it but he got in his own way which is very unusual. that's not a criticism its an observation.
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I hear ya, I just think it might be a bit of over-analysis. He generally looked upset becuase he wasn't playing to his capablilities. Neither of us can prove our points/observations, but Tiger doesn't seem like the type of guy to let his emotions get the best of him. |
04-14-2008, 09:24 PM
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I hear ya, I just think it might be a bit of over-analysis. He generally looked upset becuase he wasn't playing to his capablilities. Neither of us can prove our points/observations, but Tiger doesn't seem like the type of guy to let his emotions get the best of him.
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as we all know, he can still win he isn't playing up to his capabilities as long as he keeps his head. this weekend he didn't.
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04-14-2008, 09:27 PM
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Greatest golfer of all time. The proof is in the fact that people criticize him and find faults in his game when he finishes second in a major.
I love Jack Nicklaus, who was my childhood idol. Tiger is in another level of atmosphere altogether. Even Jack agrees.
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Agree with every word. And if you listened closely to Jack when he was still playing he was every bit as brash as Tiger. As great as he was he expected himself to be even better.
Sure, Tiger might be better off keeping some of his thoughts to himself - particularly in this age of media attention. But one could make the case that it is those unrealistic expectations that drive achievements that are beyond any reasonable expectations.
IMO one of the reasons Tiger is so dominant when he is ahead and does not achieve the comebacks one might expect, is that when he is in that final group he is focused on beating the guy next to him - which good, bad or indifferent gives him focus. When he is not in the last group he looks to me like he is second guessing himself. Not knowing what he has to do he second guesses what he wants to do.
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04-14-2008, 09:40 PM
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as we all know, he can still win he isn't playing up to his capabilities as long as he keeps his head. this weekend he didn't.
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Not when another player is playing lights out. Tiger is good enough to win with his "C" game, but the field has to let it happen. As good as Tiger is, he is capable of losing tournaments. This weekend Trever Immelman played out of his mind and built a big enoigh lead by Sunday to take it down.
Tiger was as frustrated Sunday as he was several weeks ago at Doral. That weekend Geoff Ogilvy was good enough to beat Tiger with his "B" game. |
04-14-2008, 10:28 PM
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Agree with every word. And if you listened closely to Jack when he was still playing he was every bit as brash as Tiger. As great as he was he expected himself to be even better.
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What separates Jack and Tiger from the rest is that uncommon desire, passion if you will, to be the absolute best. Both never, never come into the final stretch of a tournament, where they might not have the lead, and consider playing for 2nd or 3rd place. Both want to win, will give it their all on each shot, on each hole believing that they can win the tournament. They always play for the win.
Not many have that mindset and that is what separates Jack and Tiger from the rest.
I bet Jack is pretty happy to have 18 majors, but I bet he is even more pissed off about the fact that he finished 2nd place in the majors a total of 19 times. That is really remarkable, 19 times a second place finish, but I would bet Pete Rose $50 he feels that he could have, or maybe should have, won the majority of those as well.
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