Evolution or Creation?

[lvbuckeye]

Originally Posted by SparkyOSU

Much of understanding the Big Bang is extrapolating between knowledge of particle physics today, and projections from the mathematical model of an expanding universe in general relativity. The Einstein equations give us a mathematical model for describing how fast the Universe would expanding at what size and time, given the energy density of matter and radiation at that time. We base our guesses about the matter and radiation density of the early Universe based on the ancient light reaching us from the past in our night skies, and what we have learned about elementary particle physics, through theory and experiment. We know from duality relations between string theories that spacetime geometry is not fundamental, but emerges as we zoom out to distance scales larger than the Planck length. Physics at the Planck scale may be literally unknowable. But this is still work in progress. We'll keep you posted on later developments. Some time after the Planck era, cosmologists believe there was a period called the Inflation Era, between 10-12 and 10-10 seconds is where the Big Bang officially begins. In the Einstein equations of general relativity, the expansion of the Universe can be driven by energy density in the form of matter and radiation. During the first phase of the Big bang, the radiation part of the energy density is so much bigger than the matter part of the energy density that we can forget matter exists, at least for a while.

the Einstein model is based in faulty assumptions, meaning that it is imminently flawed, hence the reason that theorists need to continually invent things such as 'dark matter,' and 'antimatter,' etc. in order to keep the equations balanced.

[kinch]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

the Einstein model is based in faulty assumptions, meaning that it is imminently flawed, hence the reason that theorists need to continually invent things such as 'dark matter,' and 'antimatter,' etc. in order to keep the equations balanced.

I disagree that the points of show a "problem" with his theory.

1. Einstein's General Theory of Relativity applies only to the large scale, so yes, it does break down if it is used to govern physics at the early moments of the Big Bang, or the singularity.

2. Nothing needs "invented" by "flaws" in the theory. Rather, the correctness of the theory, among others, requires that certain things be "found." The gravity is eminating from somewhere, or the mass must exist, etc. It is not the theory that is flawed in this regard, but rather our ability to observe all aspects of the universe. We have, of course, been verifying that he was right, and have been filling in the blanks over time-- something that serves to support the theory, not bring it into disrepute.

3. His theory does not govern everything. It is not an explanation for the origins of the universe or for the activities that occur on small scales. I posted a summary of M-theory, which may push "beyond" the big bang, in the theology thread. . .

[MaxBuck]

One of the things that is most misunderstood about Applied Science (I capitalized intentionally) is that certain "simplifying assumptions" must be made to allow calculations to be performed to do stuff like design structurally sound buildings. Most of the "simplifying assumptions" are not, strictly, "true," but who cares? The important thing is that the building doesn't fall down.

One can poke a lot of holes into just about any scientific theory, but that doesn't reduce their usefulness, so long as you understand their limitations. I think Einstein would be aghast if he were aware of some of the uses people attempt to put his General Relativity theory to.

[Bleed S & G]

Where did the discussion on the big bang come from? as in the religous thread, if matter can not be created nor destroyed, where did everything come from? The big bang is not the creation of matter, it's the dispersing of it.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Bleed S & G

Where did the discussion on the big bang come from? as in the religous thread, if matter can not be created nor destroyed, where did everything come from? The big bang is not the creation of matter, it's the dispersing of it.

Well, as a Pastafarian, I can only point you toward the light and truth.

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

[kinch]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Well, as a Pastafarian, I can only point you toward the light and truth.

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

And now there are two of us on the board. Soon, our missionary work will take over the entirety of BP! Once we get that pirate ship. . .

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by kinch

And now there are two of us on the board. Soon, our missionary work will take over the entirety of BP! Once we get that pirate ship. . .

Not to argue theology Brother Kinch, but having watched this crowd, let us focus on the stripper factory and beer volcano.

[justanotherbuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Not to argue theology Brother Kinch, but having watched this crowd, let us focus on the stripper factory and beer volcano.

Now that's funny, greenies(what little I own).

[Zurp]

Originally Posted by kinch

And now there are two of us on the board. Soon, our missionary work will take over the entirety of BP! Once we get that pirate ship. . .

I made a pirate ship out of legos and a toothbrush. I'll trade you for a standard medeivel catapult and three drums of flaming oil...

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Zurp

I made a pirate ship out of legos and a toothbrush. I'll trade you for a standard medeivel catapult and three drums of flaming oil...

Standard laden or unladen?

[kinch]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Standard laden or unladen?

I believe that that is a trebuchet, or counterweight trebuchet to be exact, and not a catapult.

Now here is nicely made catapult. I built it myself, actually:

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by kinch

I believe that that is a trebuchet, or counterweight trebuchet to be exact, and not a catapult.

Now here is nicely made catapult. I built it myself, actually:

My Pinewood Derby wins have been sullied now...

[Zurp]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Standard laden or unladen?

Originally Posted by kinch

I believe that that is a trebuchet, or counterweight trebuchet to be exact, and not a catapult.

Now here is nicely made catapult. I built it myself, actually:

None of that sissy trebuchet Frenchy-French stuff for me.
With a kick-ass catapult, I could power my "dead-air" machine. I'll rule the world! Or something.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Zurp

None of that sissy trebuchet Frenchy-French stuff for me. With a kick-ass catapult, I could power my "dead-air" machine. I'll rule the world! Or something.

You could call it "The Imus"

[buckeyegrad]

Originally Posted by kinch

And now there are two of us on the board. Soon, our missionary work will take over the entirety of BP! Once we get that pirate ship. . .

You'll never take me alive!!!