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Old 09-29-2009, 01:21 PM
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Normally I would say "lock him up and through away the key"; however, in this case I think we should respect the victim's request.

Victim: Courts did more harm than Polanski
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She is 45 now, and wishes the whole matter would just go away. The arrest of Roman Polanski in Switzerland over the weekend makes that highly unlikely. Geimer is back in the news in connection with the infamous 1977 California sex case, whether she likes it or not.
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It should have ended three decades ago, when Polanski pleaded guilty to a single count of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. He would have been given credit for time served while undergoing an evaluation and placed on probation.
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She sued him, and a settlement was reached out of court. But the media, prosecutors and the courts in Los Angeles, California, continue to torment her, she has said.
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Every time the case resurfaces her wounds reopen.
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She most recently spoke in January, as attempts to resolve the case once again failed. She filed court papers asking a Los Angeles judge to dismiss the charges against the Oscar-winning director.
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Entire article: Victim: Courts did more harm than Polanski - CNN.com
What about Roman Polanski's role in dragging this out for 30 years? If he did his time instead of fleeing, there is never any opportunity for the courts to reopen this.
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:24 PM
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She was 13 and drugged. He was a powerful director who was her only ride home. Sounds pretty brutal to me.
I never heard that part... Have you heard anything about the Mom being present?
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Let's take a case with the exact same facts, except that the perp is a middle school gymnastic teacher coincidentally named "Roman Polansky" (sp) and who happens to run off to France after pleading guilty.

Does anyone at that point even debate the issue?
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If instructing 13 year olds to get into a jacuzzi naked, refusing to take her home when they beg to go, kissing them even though they said no and asking to stop; performing cunnilingus on them as they said no and asking to stop; put their penis in their vagina as they said no and asked them to stop; asking if they could penetrate her anally, to which they replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm is wrong...
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:26 PM
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I never heard that part... Have you heard anything about the Mom being present?
According to the grand jury testimony, she and a friend were going to be picked up for the photo shoot, but Polanski told the friend that she could not come with them on the shoot. The 13 year old trusted the famous director and went with him. Nobody but Polanski and his hard on were at the home when he forced her to have sex with him.
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Philosophically, I'm not sure how I feel about incorporating the victim's wishes when assessing punishment on a perp, or when deciding on how vigorously to pursue extradition. I'm conflicted on this.

I know that the most moving movie I have ever seen was Polanski's brilliant rendition of Tess of the D'Urbervilles, starring Nastassia Kinski in the title role. How sad that brilliant artists like Polanski often wrestle with demons in their private lives.

All that being said, he's a child rapist. No two ways about it.
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It should have ended three decades ago, when Polanski pleaded guilty to a single count of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. He would have been given credit for time served while undergoing an evaluation and placed on probation.
In my neck of the woods a man who drugs and sodomizes a child is not usually given "credit for time served while undergoing an evaluation, or placed on probation" without serving some actual time of some kind. They are usually thrown in jail. In 2009 just photographing the kid would be a crime.

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Don't boink children.


Word!! He is not even related!!! Perv.
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Oh Martin Scorsese, how could you?

You made GoodFellas for [censored]s sake.
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Nobody but Polanski and his hard on were at the home when he forced her to have sex with him.
Not that it makes any difference, but Anjelica Huston was in the house too.
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Not that it makes any difference, but Anjelica Huston was in the house too.
According to a probation report contained in the filing, Huston described the victim as "sullen."

"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25. She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.

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Gee, I'm sure this guy wouldn't be prosecuted, publically shamed, and jailed if he was, oh, say a Catholic Priest and he had molested biys 20 or 30 years ago. Oh wait...

And you know, I'm sure those same Hollywood folks were preaching leniency and statue of limitations on that, right? Oh wait...

I wish I could say I was surprised by the reaction of Hollywood, but I'm not. This will prduce the usual outrage for a while, and then people will charge out to watch the next move that the director on the list directs and the actor/actress on the list is in. They live in their own little all-permissive fantasy world and can't for the life of them figure out why everyone else doesn't. No shock here.

Dpending on what happens with this, it will be interesting to see if anyone mentions it at the Academy Awards...they love to poke hornets' nests like these in that situation.
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