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Old 08-03-2006, 08:06 PM
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Sen. Clinton says Rumsfeld should resign


Sen. Clinton says Rumsfeld should resign


<!-- END HEADLINE --><!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer 59 minutes ago


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called Thursday for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, hours after excoriating him at a public hearing over what she said was a "failed policy" in Iraq.
"I just don't understand why we can't get new leadership that would give us a fighting chance to turn the situation around before it's too late," the New York Democrat told the Associated Press. "I think the president should choose to accept Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation."
Clinton confronted Rumsfeld directly on Iraq and Afghanistan earlier in the day, and said his answers left her convinced he should go.
"The secretary has lost credibility with the Congress and with the people. It's time for him to step down and be replaced by someone who can develop an effective strategy and communicate it effectively to the American people and to the world."
For months, Clinton has resisted joining the chorus of other Democrats demanding Rumsfeld's ouster. Her remarks Thursday were the harshest assessment yet from the woman considered her party's early front-runner for the 2008 presidential nomination.
The former first lady has come under attack from some in her own party for her 2002 vote for the war and her current opposition to a deadline for U.S. troop withdrawal.
"I am frankly tired of hearing the same stories from the administration's national security team," Clinton told the AP. "The president changed his economic team, he changed his White House team — I think it's time for him to change his security and defense team."
Clinton said her own view of the war has not changed.
"What's been clear is that despite my being a constant and persistent critic of how the president has conducted the war, it has not achieved the goals that he has set," she said.
Earlier in the day, the senator wasted no time going after Rumsfeld when he testified in a morning hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"Under your leadership there have been numerous errors in judgment that have led us to where we are," the New York Democrat said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. "We have a full-fledged insurgency and full-blown sectarian conflict in Iraq."
The defense secretary seemed briefly stunned by the intensity of her attack, exclaiming, "My goodness," before launching into a point-by-point defense.
He rejected some of her specific criticisms as simply wrong and said the war against terror will be a drawn-out process.
"Are there setbacks? Yes," said Rumsfeld. "Is this problem going to get solved in the near term? I think it's going to take some time."
The testy exchange between Clinton and Rumsfeld came after a top general told the panel violence in Iraq is probably as bad as he's ever seen it and the country may be descending into civil war.
"We hear a lot of happy talk and rosy scenarios, but because of the administration's strategic blunders — and frankly the record of incompetence in executing — you are presiding over a failed policy," she said. "Given your track record, Secretary Rumsfeld, why should we believe your assurances now?"
Rumsfeld vehemently denied he'd ever glossed over the difficulties of the fighting in Iraq or elsewhere.

"There's a track record here," countered Clinton. "This is not 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, when you appeared before this committee and made many comments and presented many assurances that have frankly proven to be unfulfilled."
"Senator, I don't think that's true," Rumsfeld fired back. "I have never painted a rosy picture. I've been very measured in my words and you'd have a dickens of a time trying to find instances where I've been excessively optimistic. I understand this is tough stuff."
At that point, the Republican chairman of the committee, Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record) of Virginia, came to Rumsfeld's defense, saying his past comments had been balanced.
Clinton still shied away from a demand made by a growing number of Democrats: a deadline for withdrawing troops from Iraq.
The disagreement between the two extended to Afghanistan. The senator specifically faulted Rumsfeld for saying in 2002 that the Taliban was gone, noting that the extremist faction has grown stronger in recent months.
He conceded violence has escalated in Afghanistan, but added, "Does that represent failed policy? I don't know. I would say not." The defense secretary said he expected the violence there to follow a seasonal pattern and decline as winter approaches.
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Old 08-03-2006, 09:08 PM
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Old 08-03-2006, 09:25 PM
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You lost me @ Sen. Clinton said. Having said that there are many strategic decisions that I do not agree with.

Also a little guilt: I was a reserve officer and went inactive 5 years ago when I became the lone parent. The Ga. Guard returned from Iraq 2 months ago & I also would have gone for a year had I stayed in. I have followed this from day 1 and do not really know if ANY policy would/can be effective any more than the former Yugoslavia.

But I see this as prep. for a presidential run.

The woman frightens me.......
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The neo-cons should all be afraid of Clinton.
She has been patient with Rumsey, but she's dead on about his getting replaced.
And he is an albatross around the throat of this administration.
We would all be better off with some one else.
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:36 PM
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Yeah, what is Clinton thinking? Let's just all sit back and trust Rummy, I mean........the guy never gets anything wrong. He was spot on with his swift invasion (requiring a small force) of Iraq......

Honestly, how many people in Rumsfeld's situation would keep their job if they [censored]ed up that many times in their tenure?
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If this was a corporation the shareholders would fire Bush and Rumsy for poor decisions and poor on job performance.
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They're not going to fire Rumsfeld. Get over it already. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be fired, but it's a broken record like Michigan fans calling for Llllloyd Carr's head.
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The neo-cons should all be afraid of Clinton.
Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil (Psalm 23:4a)





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