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Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, said: "There are 16 remaining contests after Tuesday.
"There's nothing wrong with letting the people in the remaining jurisdictions have their say."
Clinton aides now insist losses in Texas and Ohio tomorrow will not force her to quit race| News | This is London
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CNN: Limbaugh urges listeners to vote for Clinton

"... And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatted domestic animal together; and a little child shall lead them..." (Isiah 11:6)

What I'm not very clear on is whether Hillary is the lamb and Rush is the wolf, or is it the other way around... Clearly Bill Clinton is the leopard (as opposed to "cougar"), which means that Monika is, err, the "kid", Paula Jones is the "young lion", while Gennifer Flowers (for those of you who've seen her pics) is easily the "fatted domestic animal".

As for the little child...

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Limbaugh urges listeners to vote for Clinton

March 4, 2008
Posted: 06:15 AM ET

Limbaugh wants the Democratic race to continue.

As Hillary Clinton battles to keep her presidential bid alive, she may be getting help from an unlikely source: conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.

Limbaugh has been actively urging his Texas listeners to cross over and vote for Clinton in that state's open primary Tuesday, arguing it helps the Republicans if the Democratic race remains unsettled for weeks to come.

"I want Hillary to stay in this?this is too good a soap opera," Limbaugh told fellow conservative talk-show host Laura Ingraham on Fox News Friday. He reiterated the comments on his Monday show and replayed the exchange with Ingram.

He also said Clinton is more willing than the Republican National Committee and John McCain's campaign to criticize Barack Obama.

"We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically. It's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it, they don't have the stomach for it," Limbaugh continued. "As you probably know we're getting all kinds of memos from the RNC saying we're not going to be critical. Mark McKinnon of McCain's campaign said he'll quit if they get critical over Obama. This is the presidency of the United States we're talking about. I want our party to win I want the Democrats to lose.?

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If you believe the math in this column, Hillary really has no shot:

Hillary’s Math Problem | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

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Forget tonight. She could win 16 straight and still lose.

Hillary Clinton may be poised for a big night tonight, with wins in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island. Clinton aides say this will be the beginning of her comeback against Barack Obama. There's only one problem with this analysis: they can't count...
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...So here we go: Let's assume Hillary beats expectations and wins Ohio tonight 55-45, Rhode Island 55-45, Texas, 53-47 and (this is highly improbable), ties in Vermont, 50-50.

Then it's on to Wyoming on Saturday, where, let's say, the momentum of today helps her win 53-47. Next Tuesday in Mississippi?where African-Americans play a big role in the Democratic primary?she shocks the political world by winning 52-48.

Then on April 22, the big one, Pennsylvania?and it's a Hillary blowout, 60-40, with Clinton picking up a whopping 32 delegates. She wins both of Guam's two delegates on May 30, and Indiana's proximity to Illinois does Obama no good on May 6, with the Hoosiers going for Hillary 55-45. The same day brings another huge upset in a heavily African-American state: enough North Carolina blacks desert Obama to give the state to Hillary 52-48, netting her five more delegates.

Suppose May 13 in West Virginia is no kinder to Obama, and he loses by double digits, netting Clinton two delegates. The identical 55-45 result on May 20 in Kentucky nets her five more. The same day brings Oregon, a classic Obama state. Oops! He loses there 52-48. Hillary wins by 10 in Montana and South Dakota on June 3, and primary season ends on June 7 in Puerto Rico with another big Viva Clinton! Hillary pulls off a 60-40 landslide, giving her another 11 delegates. She has enjoyed a string of 16 victories in a row over three months.

So at the end of regulation, Hillary's the nominee, right? Actually, this much-too-generous scenario (which doesn't even account for Texas's weird "pri-caucus" system, which favors Obama in delegate selection) still leaves the pledged-delegate score at 1,634 for Obama to 1,576 for Clinton. That's a 58-delegate lead...
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If you believe the math in this column, Hillary really has no shot:

Hillary’s Math Problem | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
58 delegates is still in cheating range and/or still room for back room dealing.

Obama has to blow her out or otherwise she'll take everything down with her trying to win the nomination.
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:47 PM
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58 delegates is still in cheating range and/or still room for back room dealing.

Obama has to blow her out or otherwise she'll take everything down with her trying to win the nomination.
I agree that, if it's only 58 at the end, there will be room for scandal. But to get it even that close, she has to have a miraculous 16-state win streak, etc., etc. Looks bleak.
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She will likely get blown out in North Carolina, Wyoming, Mississippi, and Montana.

she'll have to win the big states by 65-35 to win the delegate count.

No way.
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Ready to lead from day one. Just look at her organized, efficient, and cohesive campaign.
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I figure the only wat she can claim to that is if she actually was the one running the counttry when Bill was the Pres.
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She will likely get blown out in North Carolina, Wyoming, Mississippi, and Montana.

she'll have to win the big states by 65-35 to win the delegate count.

No way.
Super Delegate to the rescue!

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Super Delegate to the rescue!
Maybe, but looks like she's barely holding some of them off from endorsing Obama.

Clinton scrambles to freeze defectors - Mike Allen and Ben Smith - Politico.com
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CNN just called Ohio for Clinton (57% to 41% with 54% of precints reporting). Pretty huge margin!
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I still can't figure out why pollsters were calling this race even before today's primary? Not...
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CNN just called Ohio for Clinton (57% to 41% with 54% of precints reporting). Pretty huge margin!
It will end up more like 55-44 or 54-45 after Cleveland and Cincinnati report. She should do good in the delegate count though with big margins in the rural counties.
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CNN just called Ohio for Clinton (57% to 41% with 54% of precints reporting). Pretty huge margin!
On to Texas, San Antonio will be tough for Hillary.
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