Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (official)

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by shetuck

James Carville was on CNN earlier.

It occurred to me that a lot of the dirty tactics that are usually attributed to the Clintons, might have their source in Carville.

Or is it perhaps more of a birds-of-a-feather thing in that they (the Clintons and Carville) are equally vicious in their tactics and approach?

lay off carville. I'm pretty sure he has a intense hatred for scUM.

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by tibor75

lay off carville. I'm pretty sure he has a intense hatred for scUM.

This is being called the year of the Upset. Any thoughts on the Big Ten team that started it all with that loss to Appalachian State?

No, I?m trying to be relevant here. But in 2004 I said in SI that Michigan played uninspired, gutless football. Wolverines fans besieged me with calls and e-mails, calling me an idiot, a jerk and unprintable names. Now they have only one word to describe me: prophet.

That's tame, even by Carville's standards...

[tibor75]

States ClinTon has won 60% of the vote:
Arkansas

States Obama has won 60% of the vote:
Mississippi (P)
Maryland (P)
Illinois (P)
Georgia (P)
DC (P)
Virginia (P)
Hawaii (C)
Wyoming (C)
Washington (C)
Nebraska (C)
Minnesota (C)
Alaska (C)
Idaho (C)
Kansas (C)
N Dakota (C)
Colorado (C)

[MaxBuck]

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Nothing like pandering for the racist vote.

Hate to disagree, but I doubt many racists pay a lot of attention to Geraldine Ferraro.

[shetuck]

Reuters: Ferraro defends Obama race remarks

Wow! Just wow... This woman's on some kind of a suicide mission.

Her comment that the Obama campaign's refusal to let go of this is causing further divisions in the party is absolute bullsh*t. He wasn't the one who hurled the first round of kitchen sinks in the race.

So now that it's getting beyond ugly, Hillary is having her cronies try and put a stop to the bleeding and call "Uncle". But they're only making themselves look more like the Uncle Toms that they are.

FWIW, I see that the domain names hillarydropout.com, hillarydropoutnow.com, and giveuphillary.com are all parked by a registrant...

Clinton supporter defends Obama race remarks

By Donna Smith
1 hour, 43 minutes ago

The only woman ever to be on a major party's U.S. presidential ticket on Wednesday stood by her comment that Sen. Barack Obama is ahead in the Democratic race for the White House because he is black.

Geraldine Ferraro, a Democrat who ran for vice president in 1984, said his campaign's reaction had backfired and divided the party. Ferraro is supporting Obama's Democratic rival, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, for the November election.

"My comments have been taken so out of context and have been spun by the Obama campaign as racist that it's doing precisely what they don't want done -- it's going to the Democratic Party and dividing us even more," Ferraro told ABC's "Good Morning America" in an interview.

She ignited a flap by telling a California newspaper that "if Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position."

"And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," Ferraro said.

Ferraro told ABC she was "absolutely not" sorry for what she said.
"I believe that," she added.

cont'd...

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by MaxBuck

Hate to disagree, but I doubt many racists pay a lot of attention to Geraldine Ferraro.

Except in DC and Minnesota.

[methomps]

Originally Posted by shetuck

Reuters: Ferraro defends Obama race remarks

Wow! Just wow... This woman's on some kind of a suicide mission.

Her comment that the Obama campaign's refusal to let go of this is causing further divisions in the party is absolute bullsh*t. He wasn't the one who hurled the first round of kitchen sinks in the race.

So now that it's getting beyond ugly, Hillary is having her cronies try and put a stop to the bleeding and call "Uncle". But they're only making themselves look more like the Uncle Toms that they are.

FWIW, I see that the domain names hillarydropout.com, hillarydropoutnow.com, and giveuphillary.com are all parked by a registrant...

It's their MO. Leak the Kenya photo, and then criticize the Obama response as "distracting from the issues." Say that race is why he is a candidate and then criticize the response as dividing the party.

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by methomps

It's their MO. Leak the Kenya photo, and then criticize the Obama response as "distracting from the issues." Say that race is why he is a candidate and then criticize the response as dividing the party.

Would you say that's a bait-and-switch or a carrot-and-stick approach?

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by shetuck

So now that it's getting beyond ugly, Hillary is having her cronies try and put a stop to the bleeding and call "Uncle". But they're only making themselves look more like the Uncle Toms that they are.

Maybe it's because I'm a minority, so I'm way, way sensitive to race issues, but I totally saw Clinton's assertion of Obama being a good VP as patronizing blacks in the South. "Obama can't be a good President, but he can be a good VP - don't shoot for the stars, but don't worry because the white candidate knows what's best." A huge stretch, I know, but that's what I was thinking when I heard that.

To corroborate my notion, Obama responded to Hillary's VP offer in a speech in Mississippi by taking words right out of Malcolm X's dictionary - telling the crowd that they were being hoodwinked and bamboozled by Hillary. Very powerful stuff if you think about the context.

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Maybe it's because I'm a minority, so I'm way, way sensitive to race issues, but I totally saw Clinton's assertion of Obama being a good VP as patronizing blacks in the South. "Obama can't be a good President, but he can be a good VP - don't shoot for the stars, but don't worry because the white candidate knows what's best." A huge stretch, I know, but that's what I was thinking when I heard that.

To corroborate my notion, Obama responded to Hillary's VP offer in a speech in Mississippi by taking words right out of Malcolm X's dictionary - telling the crowd that they were being hoodwinked and bamboozled by Hillary. Very powerful stuff if you think about the context.

Interesting... hadn't put it in that context. I guess those who needed to hear him understood.

Is that similar to Ferraro's comment about "if he was a woman he would not be in this position" really confused me. Not sure what she meant by that (seriously).

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Maybe it's because I'm a minority, so I'm way, way sensitive to race issues, but I totally saw Clinton's assertion of Obama being a good VP as patronizing blacks in the South. "Obama can't be a good President, but he can be a good VP - don't shoot for the stars, but don't worry because the white candidate knows what's best." A huge stretch, I know, but that's what I was thinking when I heard that.

To corroborate my notion, Obama responded to Hillary's VP offer in a speech in Mississippi by taking words right out of Malcolm X's dictionary - telling the crowd that they were being hoodwinked and bamboozled by Hillary. Very powerful stuff if you think about the context.

I hadn't thought of it this way, Rocket, but I'd say you're on to something. I did find the notion of the 2nd place candidate suggesting that the leading candidate should be VP condescending, but hadn't even considered the racial implications.

Given Obama's response, I'd say its safe to say that others in his campaign might have seen it that way.

Of course, it seems that the Clinton campaign decided that they weren't overt enough too, and just decided to have Ferraro say something more directly.

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Maybe it's because I'm a minority, so I'm way, way sensitive to race issues, but I totally saw Clinton's assertion of Obama being a good VP as patronizing blacks in the South. "Obama can't be a good President, but he can be a good VP - don't shoot for the stars, but don't worry because the white candidate knows what's best." A huge stretch, I know, but that's what I was thinking when I heard that.

To corroborate my notion, Obama responded to Hillary's VP offer in a speech in Mississippi by taking words right out of Malcolm X's dictionary - telling the crowd that they were being hoodwinked and bamboozled by Hillary. Very powerful stuff if you think about the context.

I hadn't thought about it that way, Rocket, but your analysis certainly makes sense.

What is very clear, however, is that Hillary is willing to alienate African-Americans and young voters and critically split and embitter the party in order to take down Obama. Again, it's not about the party. It's not about getting the Republicans out of the White House. It's not about the policies for America that she pretends to care about. It's about she and Bill, their ambitions and their legacy.

Hopefully, the party elders have realized that she's lost any chance of winning the general election even if she can steal the nomination. I'm an (almost) 40 year old white man and lifelong Democrat, and I will NOT vote for her now. I can only try to imagine how alienated A-As or young 20 somethings who've been drawn into Democratic politics for the first time because of Obama must be feeling at this time.

Good luck winning in November on the backs of 50 year old white women and some union guys who think Bill will bring their jobs back.

[cincibuck]

Where is Howard Dean? Where is the party leadership? Someone needs to put the clamps on this NOW. And where in the Hell does Ferraro get off making comments of someone getting shoved to the head of the line? How the [censored] did she get a shot at being VP if not because she was FEMALE.

I didn't think you could put someone incapable of stringing together three coherent sentences in the White House. I sure didn't think you could keep him there. I didn't think you could get another GOP president following this 8 year cluster [censored], but I didn't count on the Democrats having the incompetence to make it so.

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Where is Howard Dean? Where is the party leadership? Someone needs to put the clamps on this NOW. And where in the Hell does Ferraro get off making comments of someone getting shoved to the head of the line? How the [censored] did she get a shot at being VP if not because she was FEMALE.

I didn't think you could put someone incapable of stringing together three coherent sentences in the White House. I sure didn't think you could keep him there. I didn't think you could get another GOP president following this 8 year cluster [censored], but I didn't count on the Democrats having the incompetence to make it so.

Honestly, Cinci, as a younger voter, this is why I have pretty much no faith in my country's government. In my eyes, the system is [censored]ed, and nobody is competent enough to fix it.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Maybe it's because I'm a minority, so I'm way, way sensitive to race issues, but I totally saw Clinton's assertion of Obama being a good VP as patronizing blacks in the South. "Obama can't be a good President, but he can be a good VP - don't shoot for the stars, but don't worry because the white candidate knows what's best." A huge stretch, I know, but that's what I was thinking when I heard that.

It wasn't my place to say it seeing as I'm white as a ghost and a conservative to boot, but I'm damned glad I wasn't the only one who saw what Clinton said the same way