Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (official)

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

...Where is the party leadership?

Leadership... Democratic Party?

This is why I'm an independent...





EDIT: I'm not trying to make light of your frustration Cinci. I just find the need to affiliate with one party or another to be, umm, somewhat interesting.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Where is Howard Dean? Where is the party leadership?

That's your problem right there.

Looking for leadership where none exists.

There's a reason I'm a political cynic, they all suck. The REAL leaders don't get into the system.

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

That's your problem right there.

Looking for leadership where none exists.

There's a reason I'm a political cynic, they all suck. The REAL leaders don't get into the system.

Independent / cynic. Tomato / tomAto.

The system wouldn't know how to handle REAL leaders.

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Maybe it's because I'm a minority, so I'm way, way sensitive to race issues, but I totally saw Clinton's assertion of Obama being a good VP as patronizing blacks in the South. "Obama can't be a good President, but he can be a good VP - don't shoot for the stars, but don't worry because the white candidate knows what's best." A huge stretch, I know, but that's what I was thinking when I heard that.

To corroborate my notion, Obama responded to Hillary's VP offer in a speech in Mississippi by taking words right out of Malcolm X's dictionary - telling the crowd that they were being hoodwinked and bamboozled by Hillary. Very powerful stuff if you think about the context.

I saw it that way too. My first thoughts were that she's saying, "Obama, you can come along for the ride but it's going to be in the back of the bus." She damn well knows what she is doing too. Hillary is not stupid. She didn't disavow Ferraro like she should have either. She knows the black vote is gone to her in the primary and that she needs white people (who might be luke warm to a woman president) to vote for her. Obama hasn't "exploited" the black vote. He hasn't pandered to black audiences. He's running on a platform that is appealing to a wide audience and naturally there is a certain pride for African-Americans to be drawn to a positive black candidate. I saw a clip of Chris Rock introducing Obama a few months ago at the Apollo and he said something like "It's good to see you supporting him early. You'd be sorry if he won and you voted for the white lady." It wasn't a knock on Clinton, just a reality.

I found that Ferraro's comments were particularly in poor taste because she basically said that the only reason Obama has come so far is because he is black. To use Obama's words, it is "absurd." His being black helps him with some voters and hurts him with others. Yes, it is an important part of his background, identity, and unique perspective and message. I would argue with her that John Edwards is the rebuttal for her assertions. Edwards has a similar background (short time in Senate) and reformist message. If Obama had not been in this campaign, I'd speculate that he would be in a similar position to Obama right now (he'd get a bit more of the white male vote and Hillary would be pulling more of the black vote). Obama didn't knock out Edwards because he was black, he did it by having a better tweaked message and better organization. Face it, there are a lot of ABC (anybody but Clinton) voters and somebody would be getting that vote. Hillary appears to me to be attempting to create anybody but Obama voters, and she's implicitly making his race one of the reasons.

Edit: Clarence Page, Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist for the Chicago Tribune just made the Edward comparison on MSNBC, guess I'm not a total loon.

[ORD_Buckeye]

Just got an e-mail response from an A-A friend of mine in LA--entertainment lawyer...Yale undergrad/Chicago law.

We're calling it the "Driving Miss Hillary speech." Obama's welcome in the car provided he know's his "role."

['BusNative]

So now she's stepping down - not fired - from Hillary's campaign.

Ferraro steps down from Clinton campaign

• NEW: Ferraro announces Wednesday she will step down from Clinton campaign
• Obama calls Ferraro's comments "ridiculous" and "wrong headed"
• Ferraro calls Jesse Jackson "radical" in a 1988 Washington Post story
• Ferraro said her Obama comments were "a statement of fact"

From Rebecca Sinderbrand
CNN Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former congresswoman and vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro is resigning her fund-raising position with Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign after controversial comments she made about Clinton's rival, Sen. Barack Obama.

"I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign," Ferraro wrote in a letter to Clinton. "The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you. I won't let that happen."

Ferraro told CNN she sent the letter to Clinton Wednesday afternoon.

In another interview Tuesday, Ferraro compared Obama's situation with her own 24 years ago, when she was the first female candidate for vice president.

She told a Fox News interviewer: "I got up and the question was asked,

'Why do you think Barack Obama is in the place he is today?'

"I said in large measure, because he is black. I said, Let me also say in 1984 -- and if I have said it once, I have said it 20, 60, 100 times -- in 1984, if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would never have been the nominee for vice president," she said.

This is my favorite - is it completely lost on her that Obama is winning an election for president and she was appointed VP nominee?

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by 'BusNative

So now she's stepping down - not fired - from Hillary's campaign.





This is my favorite - is it completely lost on her that Obama is winning an election for president and she was appointed VP nominee?

Exactly. Did she tell Lieberman that he was only a VP candidate because he's Jewish?

yeah, that would have gone over well.

[CookyPuss]

YouTube - Don't Think Of A Black Man

[CookyPuss]

Howard Wolfson = the gift that keeps on giving:

Wolfson said Clinton had shown renewed strength among some Republicans and Independents in Ohio, Texas and Mississippi because of the increased focus on whether Obama was ready to lead "on Day One," and he rejected the idea as "laughable" that any of these voters would vote for the senator for tactical reasons, for instance because they think she would be easier to beat in the general election.

Find me 1, 1 Republican who likes Hillary. What is "laughable" is your argument Mr. Wolfson. Oh, I suppose also that it was just a coincidence that Bill went on Rush's show right before the Texas and Ohio primaries. Umm, hmm.

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Bill went on Rush's show right before the Texas and Ohio primaries. Umm, hmm.

You're [censored]ting me? Wow! I did not know that. If I feel a little bit of second guessing about pulling a lever for Hillary in November...if friends start breaking me down with the Supreme Court nomination argument...God help me, I'm going to remember this and stay strong!

You're dead to me, Bill*. You're not a Democrat. You're not a former President. I don't want to listen to you. I don't want to vote for your wife. If you need to come to Chicago to raise money for your wife, I want 36 hours notice, so I can be away from the city.


*Figuratively speaking in case the Secret Service thinks about descending upon my apartment.

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by ORD_Buckeye

You're [censored]ting me? Wow! I did not know that. If I feel a little bit of second guessing about pulling a lever for Hillary in November...if friends start breaking me down with the Supreme Court nomination argument...God help me, I'm going to remember this and stay strong!

You're dead to me, Bill*. You're not a Democrat. You're not a former President. I don't want to listen to you. I don't want to vote for your wife. If you need to come to Chicago to raise money for your wife, I want 36 hours notice, so I can be away from the city.


*Figuratively speaking in case the Secret Service thinks about descending upon my apartment.

Here's links, it was actually the day of the primaries and there was a guest host:

Cafe Talk | Talking Points Memo | WTF? Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh Show Day of TX Primary

http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

Posted this in the race thread, but belongs here too: The Jed Report

blog about the "Rush" factor.

[CookyPuss]

Olbermann on the Clinton response (or lack thereof) on Ferraro:

msnbc.com Video Player

I couldn't say it any better myself.

[sandgk]

This is the reason for her eventual undoing at the hands of the Obama campaign.

YouTube - Hillary Clinton Iraq War Vote Speech

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by sandgk

This is the reason for her eventual undoing at the hands of the Obama campaign.

You mean she didn't vote for diplomacy?

[ORD_Buckeye]

She write that all on her own, or did she just go off the template that Cheney's office sent over?

You triangulated yourself to irrelevance, bitch. Deal with it.