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You're [censored]ting me? Wow! I did not know that. If I feel a little bit of second guessing about pulling a lever for Hillary in November...if friends start breaking me down with the Supreme Court nomination argument...God help me, I'm going to remember this and stay strong!

You're dead to me, Bill*. You're not a Democrat. You're not a former President. I don't want to listen to you. I don't want to vote for your wife. If you need to come to Chicago to raise money for your wife, I want 36 hours notice, so I can be away from the city.


*Figuratively speaking in case the Secret Service thinks about descending upon my apartment.
wired.com: Did Limbaugh's Crossover Voters Break Ohio Law?

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Did Limbaugh's Crossover Voters Break Ohio Law?

By Kim Zetter
March 12, 2008 | 2:10:37 PM

A reader tipped me off to an issue that's come up with crossover voters in Ohio. It seems that some Republican voters have bragged online that they voted Democratic ballots in the Ohio March 4th primary in order to influence the outcome of the presidential election. Essentially, they wanted to help Hillary Clinton win the Democratic nomination over Barack Obama because they think she's the weaker candidate and would lose against Republican John McCain in November.

The so-called Republican "plot" was instigated by conservative radio talker Rush Limbaugh (at right) who urged Republican voters in Ohio and Texas before the election to cross over for the primary to rig the nomination for the November election. Voters in those states could do this at the last minute because their local election laws allow voters to change party affiliation at the polls.

Here's a post made by one voter who bragged about switching:
Lastly, they had me sign the affirmation about switching parties and supporting the principles of the Democrat party. I said that would be easy, because they don't have any. Everybody got a good chuckle as there isn't a Democrat within 5 miles any direction from where I vote. I then proceeded to cast my vote for Hillary Clinton. Dirty as it felt at the time, I have a feeling I'll be rewarded in the long run.
It turns out that this voter, and others in Ohio, may have broken the law.

Ohio's revised election code includes an election falsification clause (Revised Code 3513.20), which says that if a voter who changes parties is challenged by poll workers as to the sincerity of his change of heart and also signs an affidavit stating that he supports the principles of the party to which he's changing -- when in fact he doesn't support them -- then he would be committing election falsification. Election falsification is a felony that is punishable by six to twelve months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

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Thanks, shetuck. I was aware of the crossover phenomenon as well as Limbaugh and other right wing radio commentators egging it on on the week prior to voting.

I just wasn't aware that Bill took a proactive role in this crap...though sadly not surprised. After what Limbaugh and his ilk did to him...to now crawl into bed with them in some last gasp effort to revive your wife's campaign. It's absolutely sad and pathetic. I wonder if Bill saved the dress...err suit...he wore as a souvenir? Because, he sure as [censored] sucked some cock.
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Old 03-12-2008, 11:15 PM
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Thanks, shetuck. I was aware of the crossover phenomenon as well as Limbaugh and other right wing radio commentators egging it on on the week prior to voting.

I just wasn't aware that Bill took a proactive role in this crap...though sadly not surprised. After what Limbaugh and his ilk did to him...to now crawl into bed with them in some last gasp effort to revive your wife's campaign. It's absolutely sad and pathetic. I wonder if Bill saved the dress...err suit...he wore as a souvenir? Because, he sure as [censored] sucked some cock.
Didn't mean to come off as patronizing ORD.

This bit about people heeding Rush's call being illegal was new (to me), and came across the wire earlier today. When you posted your message, I remembered seeing it and thought I'd post it.

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Didn't mean to come off as patronizing ORD.
No worries at all. I never felt that in the least.
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Keith Olbermann is not amused with Hillary's antics...

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Keith Olbermann is not amused with Hillary's antics...
Does anybody actually care what that cartoon character thinks?
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Does anybody actually care what that cartoon character thinks?
I'm sure his mother does.........maybe.
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Does anybody actually care what that cartoon character thinks?
Yes.
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Yes.
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Though many people here already agree that Clinton has embellished her experience, TIME takes a closer look at some of her claims. I took out the meat and left the punchlines, but its a good article to read if you're like me and don't exactly recall what was going on in Ireland or Macedonia - two arenas that TIME looks at.

Clinton's Experience Debate - TIME


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Thursday, Mar. 13, 2008
Clinton's Experience Debate

By Karen Tumulty, Michael Duffy and Massimo Calabresi

In her race to win the democratic nomination against a first-term Senator from Illinois, Hillary Clinton has put the criterion of experience front and center. She often references what she says is 35 years of work that qualifies her to run the country. And the most important achievements Clinton cites are the ones she claims from her years as First Lady ? a job that carries no portfolio but can wield enormous influence...

TIME decided to cut through the spin with a series that will take a closer look at the claims candidates make. As Senator Clinton is fond of saying, It's time to get real. We kick off the series by evaluating three of the achievements she mentions most often:
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Children's Health Care
WHAT SHE SAYS
One of her biggest achievements, Clinton often tells voters, is the multibillion-dollar health-care program that provides coverage for children whose parents are too rich for Medicaid but unable to afford health insurance on their own. As one of her campaign ads puts it, "She changed the lives of 6 million kids when she championed the bill that gave them health insurance." ...

THE BOTTOM LINE: The record suggests Clinton did indeed lobby for children's health coverage but that many others were responsible as well. And it also shows that her husband nearly killed the idea before it ever got off the ground.
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Northern Ireland
WHAT SHE SAYS
On the campaign trail, Clinton has claimed she "helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland" in the 1990s...

THE BOTTOM LINE: Clinton played a role in hearing the concerns of Irish women left out of the peace process, and in encouraging them to put pressure on their countrymen to pursue negotiations. But that does not mean she rolled up her sleeves and conducted or led the talks that resulted in the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.
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"I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," Clinton has asserted when asked to identify an example of her foreign policy experience...

THE BOTTOM LINE: In the case of Macedonia, Clinton engaged in personal diplomacy that brought about change. But securing the return of American business partners is not the same as the opening of borders to thousands of refugees. That accomplishment was a result of broader U.S. and European efforts during the war.
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Though many people here already agree that Clinton has embellished her experience, TIME takes a closer look at some of her claims. I took out the meat and left the punchlines, but its a good article to read if you're like me and don't exactly recall what was going on in Ireland or Macedonia - two arenas that TIME looks at.

Clinton's Experience Debate - TIME
And I thought Al Gore was prone to exaggerate! Then again this is from the woman who once claimed to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary even though she was born 6 years before his climb of Mount Everest....I guess her family held high respect for bee keepers.

Perhaps we need to re-look at who really inveneted the internet.........nah!
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Kinda stale, but hmmmmmmm

Top Canadian official: Clinton's campaign assured Canada on NAFTA -- baltimoresun.com

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TORONTO - Prime Minister Stephen Harper's chief of staff said someone in Hillary Clinton's campaign gave Canada back-channel assurances that her harsh words about the North American Free Trade Agreement were for political show, according to a report by the Canadian Press.

The report comes just days after a Canadian government memo stated Barack Obama's senior economic adviser told Canadian officials that the Illinois senator's own comments about NAFTA were for "political positioning." The release of that memo helped Clinton defeat Obama decisively in Tuesday's Democratic primary in Ohio, where the trade treaty is unpopular...
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Keith Olbermann is not amused with Hillary's antics...

YouTube - Keith Olbermann: Special Comment on Hillary Clinton
I am in awe. I don't know him from a bar of soap and see him rarely on MSNBC broadcasts here, but geez, whatever you think of him, that is a stinging rebuke.
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Perfectly timed for the lead-in to the PA primary.
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Keith Olbermann is not amused with Hillary's antics...

YouTube - Keith Olbermann: Special Comment on Hillary Clinton
Like Steve19 said - stinging. And Olbermann is ostensibly a FOB/H.
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