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Old 03-19-2008, 01:49 PM
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Hillary's daily schedules as a first lady have been released to the public...
tons of groundbreaking work outlined here


William J. Clinton Presidential Library
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Hillary's daily schedules as a first lady have been released to the public...
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William J. Clinton Presidential Library
With this out of the way, I suppose she can get on the promise of providing those tax returns now, right?

Papers show Clinton's days as 1st lady

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Papers show Clinton's days as 1st lady

By CALVIN WOODWARD,
Associated Press Writer

2 hours, 8 minutes ago



Hillary Rodham Clinton kept her schedule packed when allegations exploded that her husband had an affair with an intern, according to papers released Wednesday that show her daily activities as first lady, her travels abroad and the legal woes that dogged the Clintons in the White House.

The private crisis came at the most public of times for the wife who initially believed her husband's protestations of innocence, before his story crumbled.

She had speeches scheduled, at home and abroad. She appeared by Bill Clinton's side at an education event where he angrily dismissed the reports of his womanizing. And if that were not enough, there was his State of the Union address.

Her schedule has her choosing flowers for a black-tie dinner, congratulating "Guns Aren't Cool" award winners and reading to kids in the week in January 1998 that upended her life and threatened his presidency. She denounced a "vast right-wing conspiracy" in a TV interview.


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With this out of the way, I suppose she can get on the promise of providing those tax returns now, right?

Papers show Clinton's days as 1st lady
What I'd be very interested in looking at is specific weeks.

For instance, what was Hillary doing the week that the Asian currencies and the Ruble tanked?

What was Hillary's schedule during the Camp David talks with Arafat and the Israelis?

What was Hillary doing when the decisions regarding the Balkans were being made?

She has been heavily implying that she was in the thick of things. It'd be pretty funny if she was picking out flowers or meeting with Spelling Bee champions.
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Her First Lady experiences are not without some value. Like Nancy Reagan she was involved, so give her briefing and staff work props. She certainly wasn't sent off to the kitchen and the laundry like Laura.
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What I'd be very interested in looking at is specific weeks.

For instance, what was Hillary doing the week that the Asian currencies and the Ruble tanked?

What was Hillary's schedule during the Camp David talks with Arafat and the Israelis?

What was Hillary doing when the decisions regarding the Balkans were being made?

She has been heavily implying that she was in the thick of things. It'd be pretty funny if she was picking out flowers or meeting with Spelling Bee champions.
The link 'bus gave makes it *easier* to do that. I scanned through about 300 pages of one of the files. Pretty boring stuff for the most part... along the lines of what a goodwill ambassador might spend his/her time doing.

Some of the names are blocked out. There are about 10+ files 30+ MB in size and several thousand pages each. It's all scanned in, so I couldn't do a text search. I guess we'll have to wait for the media to dig up the juicy bits!
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Sure sign that Clinton is toast: ekeen is trolling in the Obama thread, not here.
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Hillary may have some religious issues of her own:

Barbara Ehrenreich: Hillary's Nasty Pastorate - Politics on The Huffington Post

"Jesus plus nothing: Undercover among America's secret theocrats" by Jeffrey Sharlet (Harper's Magazine) (article referenced in the above link)

I honestly don't know what to make of this stuff, but if you like conspiracy theories it is an interesting read.
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Her First Lady experiences are not without some value. Like Nancy Reagan she was involved, so give her briefing and staff work props. She certainly wasn't sent off to the kitchen and the laundry like Laura.
Nancy was only involved because Ronnie's brain was turning into jelly.
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Nancy was only involved because Ronnie's brain was turning into jelly.
I thought it was jelly beans. I mean, you are what you eat.
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...I guess we'll have to wait for the media to dig up the juicy bits!
The squeezer's up and running...

Reuters: First lady records show Clinton promoted NAFTA

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By Steve Holland
Wed Mar 19, 6:05 PM ET

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton now argues that the North American Free Trade Agreement needs to be renegotiated, but newly released records showed on Wednesday she promoted its passage.

The National Archives and the Clinton presidential library jointly released more than 11,000 pages of Clinton's daily schedule as first lady from 1993 to 2001.

The release came in response to charges that she is overly secretive, and also allowed her campaign to promote her argument that she gained valuable White House experience during her years as first lady.

Clinton and Obama are battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22, the next contest in a closely fought campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination to face Republican John McCain in the November election.

The documents clearly indicated that Clinton had a powerful role at the White House, frequently meeting foreign leaders and presiding over meetings.

[...]

The former first lady's records showed first lady Clinton worked on behalf of the accord.

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No offense, but duh? Is anyone really surprised that she was "for it before she was against it?"

I really think this isn't much of an issue. Obama blew it in the Ohio debate when Clinton claimed she'd threaten to repeal it. He should have hit her hard for not "getting real." I think he could have won some major honesty points by saying is wasn't going away and then pivoting into how we can create new "green" jobs that by nature can't be shipped overseas and his thing about changing the tax code to benefit companies that keep jobs here.
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AP: First lady Clinton and the intern crisis

Was the blue phone ringing?

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First lady Clinton and the intern crisis

By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer
25 minutes ago

Hillary Rodham Clinton was home in the White House on at least seven days when her husband had sexual encounters there with intern Monica Lewinsky, according to Sen. Clinton's schedule, released Wednesday among 11,000 pages of papers from her years as first lady.


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The words of the schedules are dry, but they take on emotional weight when coupled with revelations about the sex scandal that eventually came to light. A year later, the schedules show her pressing ahead and showing her face at public events as revelations about the scandal upended her life and threatened Bill Clinton's presidency.

[...]

Almost a year earlier, the schedules show, she was home on Feb. 28, 1997, the day the report by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr says Bill Clinton had a sexual encounter with Lewinsky in an Oval Office bathroom in the early evening, staining her blue dress.

Mrs. Clinton had "drop by" events or meetings in the Map Room and Diplomatic Reception Room between 11 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. that day, according to her schedule. It also lists plays that night and a concert, but it's not clear whether she attended.

More than a year earlier, on Nov. 15, 1995, the first lady went to a mid-afternoon "meet & greet" photo opportunity at the White House with Nobel Laureates and their families. That night, Lewinsky had what she later said was her first sexual encounter with the president, in the private study off the Oval office.

On Jan. 21, 1996, the first lady and the president privately toured an exhibit at the National Gallery of Art. That afternoon, Lewinsky said, she and Bill Clinton had a sexual encounter in the hallway by the private study.

The schedules indicate Hillary Clinton was home on at least four other days when her husband and the intern got together.


FLOTUS was doing a "meet and greet" while POTUS was doing a "greet and meat"!

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Her Democratic presidential campaign released a statement Wednesday saying the schedules spanning her two terms as first lady "illustrate the array of substantive issues she worked on" and her travel to more than 80 countries "in pursuit of the administration's domestic and foreign policy goals."

Clinton says her years as first lady equip her to handle foreign policy and national security as president.

But the schedules show trips packed with plainly traditional activities for a first lady, along with some substance.

[...]

For example, in her January 1994 visit to Russia with her husband, her schedule is focused on events with other wives. She sat in on a birthing class at a hospital, toured a cathedral and joined prominent women in a lunch of blinis with caviar and salmon.
Caviar and salmon for supper... on day 1.
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Nice list

HALPERIN?S TAKE: Painful Things Hillary Clinton Knows ? Or Should Know1. She can?t win the nomination without overturning the will of the elected delegates, which will alienate many Democrats.

2. She can?t win the nomination without a bloody convention battle ? after which, even if she won, history and many Democrats would cast her as a villain.

3. Catching up in the popular vote is not out of the question ? but without re-votes in Florida and Michigan it will be almost as impossible as catching up in elected delegates.

The Page - by Mark Halperin - TIME
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Things not looking good on the money front. First, the LA Times reports that, of her $35M claim for February, $5M is from a personal loan and $10M from her Senate campaign funds. The AP adds this:

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Both Democrats ended up with more than $30 million in the bank, but Clinton can't use two-thirds of her cash on hand because it's only for the general election. That and her debt left her with less than $3 million in the black. The debt doesn't include the $5 million she lent her campaign in January.
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Nancy was only involved because Ronnie's brain was turning into jelly.
Well then we should give credit where credit is due:
Name your favorite Reagan era Psychic:
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Shocking, simply shocking. The devil with a blue dress stuff makes for much better reading - hand me some blinis and caviar -
mmm!
smells like fish.
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Things not looking good on the money front. First, the LA Times reports that, of her $35M claim for February, $5M is from a personal loan and $10M from her Senate campaign funds. The AP adds this:
Shocking, simply shocking that Hillary of all people would inflate her fund-raising resume - isn't that the sort of number fudging that would get you cast of the Honor Roll at Wellesley?
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