Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (official)

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by ekeen

Hillary is not going to go quietly and she is playing by the rules that the DNC created regarding the democratic primaries. It's a good thing that democratic superdelegates can be smarter than the voting public. The irony here after all that "voter disenfranchisement" in 2000 is unbelievable.

Agreed wholeheartedly, Hillary is losing credibility with which she was credited entering this campaign at an alarming rate.

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by sandgk

Agreed wholeheartedly, Hillary is losing credibility with which she was credited entering this campaign at an alarming rate.

I think, given the strongly negative sentiments about the current administration, a lot of people forgot how they really felt about Billary in the White House. Initially HRC did a good job not resurrecting those memories. But once she started to lose ground to Obama, the veil came off, she resorted to some familiar old and dirty tactics, and the Hillary some of us despised came tearing through.

Time cures a lot of wounds, but her attacks on Obama opened them back up... I thought, for sure, she'd be able to change her spots for the campaign.

[CookyPuss]

Hillary will have a choice when she either loses one or both of NC and Indiana. She can be magnanimous and concede and mend her rep by reaching out on behalf of Obama or she can play the sore loser and grind this thing out until the bitter end. I'm not betting on her to be magnanimous. She's already laying the groundwork to push it to the convention.

Anybody else see Carville's Judas comments on Richardson as a warning to other supers that we'll trash you in the media if you come out against Hillary now?

[ORD_Buckeye]

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Hillary will have a choice when she either loses one or both of NC and Indiana. She can be magnanimous and concede and mend her rep by reaching out on behalf of Obama or she can play the sore loser and grind this thing out until the bitter end. I'm not betting on her to be magnanimous. She's already laying the groundwork to push it to the convention.

I'll go one step further. I believe that not only will Hillary and Bill fail to reach out to Obama, but rather, they'll do everything they can to tear him down in the general election. That way, Bill's legacy isn't diminished by having a better Democrat leader than him enter the White House while Hillary can spend four years scolding the Democratic party for not nominating her and setting herself up to be the party's savior in 2012.

[ORD_Buckeye]

Question for Hillary supporters:

A recent article I read said that approximately 25% of Clinton's and Obama's supporters are saying that they won't vote for the other in the general election. Now, I understand the position of the Obama supporters who feel that way; I am one. Here are our reasons.

• Hillary's refusal to step aside despite virtually no mathematical chance of catching up to Obama in delegates
• A clear and growing movement within the Clinton campaign to undo the results of the primary process--in essence steal the nomination from Obama should he end up with more delegates
  • the Florida and Michigan primary mess
  • Personal attacks, through subordinates, on superdelegates endorsing Obama
  • the "pledged delegates aren't really bound to their candidate" statement
• The nasty personal attacks, particularly those coming from Bill
  • Bill's South Carolina comments
  • Hillary has twice brought up Rev. Wright since Obama's speech on race
  • The ridiculous instance of when they brought up Obama's kindergarden essay on why he wanted to be president as evidence of his "ambition."
  • The leak of the Sudanese dress photo
  • The half-hearted response to the "is Obama a muslim issue"
  • Bill's "Wouldn't it be great if we end up with two 'patriotic Americans' in the general election" slime

These are our reasons for a growing disgust with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Now, what has Obama done to Hillary in a like vein that would make her supporters feel similarly? The only thing that I can think that he's done is enter the election and fairly win what she and Bill thought to be her natural right to possess. They thought that the primary process would be a combination of Hillary's coronation with an underlying worship of Bill's legacy. Obama got in the way. Memo to the Clintons: It's called democracy.

He hasn't trashed her personally. He hasn't attacked her superdelegates for choosing to support her. He hasn't questioned her patriotism nor insinuated that she's only gotten this far because she's a woman. And given what the Clinton's have done to him, he's shown a remarkable degree of discipline in not reminding America of the Clintons seemingly endless ability to attract scandal. What has he done that remotely compares with what the Clintons have done to him?

I hate this notion in the press that both campaigns are going after each other equally. Just because Obama's pant leg may have gotten a little bit muddied because Bill and Hillary are reaching up from the gutter and trying to drag him down into the filth doesn't mean that he's willingly hopped into the gutter with them.

[CookyPuss]

Interesting article from Peggy Noonan on why it is difficult to have "fair" coverage in the press when one candidate lies so much:

Declarations - WSJ.com

[methomps]

Originally Posted by ORD_Buckeye

Question for Hillary supporters:

A recent article I read said that approximately 25% of Clinton's and Obama's supporters are saying that they won't vote for the other in the general election. Now, I understand the position of the Obama supporters who feel that way; I am one. Here are our reasons.

• Hillary's refusal to step aside despite virtually no mathematical chance of catching up to Obama in delegates
• A clear and growing movement within the Clinton campaign to undo the results of the primary process--in essence steal the nomination from Obama should he end up with more delegates
  • the Florida and Michigan primary mess
  • Personal attacks, through subordinates, on superdelegates endorsing Obama
  • the "pledged delegates aren't really bound to their candidate" statement
• The nasty personal attacks, particularly those coming from Bill
  • Bill's South Carolina comments
  • Hillary has twice brought up Rev. Wright since Obama's speech on race
  • The ridiculous instance of when they brought up Obama's kindergarden essay on why he wanted to be president as evidence of his "ambition."
  • The leak of the Sudanese dress photo
  • The half-hearted response to the "is Obama a muslim issue"
  • Bill's "Wouldn't it be great if we end up with two 'patriotic Americans' in the general election" slime

These are our reasons for a growing disgust with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Now, what has Obama done to Hillary in a like vein that would make her supporters feel similarly? The only thing that I can think that he's done is enter the election and fairly win what she and Bill thought to be her natural right to possess. They thought that the primary process would be a combination of Hillary's coronation with an underlying worship of Bill's legacy. Obama got in the way. Memo to the Clintons: It's called democracy.

He hasn't trashed her personally. He hasn't attacked her superdelegates for choosing to support her. He hasn't questioned her patriotism nor insinuated that she's only gotten this far because she's a woman. And given what the Clinton's have done to him, he's shown a remarkable degree of discipline in not reminding America of the Clintons seemingly endless ability to attract scandal. What has he done that remotely compares with what the Clintons have done to him?

I hate this notion in the press that both campaigns are going after each other equally. Just because Obama's pant leg may have gotten a little bit muddied because Bill and Hillary are reaching up from the gutter and trying to drag him down into the filth doesn't mean that he's willingly hopped into the gutter with them.

My guess is that they really do worry about Obama's experience and see McCain as a Republican-lite. Oh, and the whole Muslim thing.

[CookyPuss]

If anything knocks her out, it will be the money. Obama has more than enough to carry him through the primaries while she is running on fumes. It won't help him enough to win Pennsylvania (without a major gaffe by Clinton), but it could in Indiana, NC, and beyond. It certainly will be something to watch.

[tibor75]

Face the Nation: Richardson said he doesn?t agree with people calling on Clinton to drop out, but added that Obama is reaching a stage where his lead is ?insurmountable.? Said once the next 10 contests are over, nominee should be resolved. Asked about Carville sticking by his Judas statement he said he?s not going to ?stoop to Carville?s level,? adding ?I barely know the guy.? Said his loyalty is to Bill Clinton, not his wife.

The Page - by Mark Halperin - TIME

Finally, some sanity. I fail to see the logic that just b/c you supported Bill, you HAVE to support his wife too. Heck, even Bore hasn't endorsed her at this point. I'd believe that seeing her up close for 8 years is one reason they haven't...

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by methomps

My guess is that they really do worry about Obama's experience and see McCain as a Republican-lite. Oh, and the whole Muslim thing.

I love hearing that from Hillary supporters. If experience is all Hillary has over Obama, and the only factor that matters, then she'll get crushed by McCain. Congratu-[censored]ing-lations.

I'm just going to be brutally honest - there are probably quite a few older white women out there that just aren't ready to see a young black man be president.

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com



I'm trying to figure out why her supporters call her the champion of the blue-collar working class, when she deliberately [censored]s them over, time and time again.

I emailed the author about the outstanding health care bills. And...
Clinton didn't pay health insurance bills - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com

Also, just saw it reported on MSNBC.

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

I emailed the author about the outstanding health care bills. And...
Clinton didn't pay health insurance bills - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com

Also, just saw it reported on MSNBC.

A moment of awesomeness in MuckFich06's life ....

When bloggers blog back ..

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by rocketman

...I'm just going to be brutally honest - there are probably quite a few older white women out there that just aren't ready to see a young black man be president.

Sad but true... This is the same comment that some called Ed Rendell out on the carpet for a couple of weeks ago: Racsim Will Be A Factor in PA

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by sandgk

A moment of awesomeness in MuckFich06's life ....

When bloggers blog back ..

Just doing my citizenly duty and holding our politicians accountable.

Actually, I thought it was funny as [censored] that I saw it reported on MSNBC TV just as I was reading the email from the author letting me know that he wrote a story about it.

[rocketman]

Heck, the first I saw of Hillary's campaign debts was in this thread. Maybe we should start our own political blog - we'll talk about anything and everything... except Michigan. [censored] Michigan.