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Earmarking is only one small slice of the political cash game, but it has the advantage of being a slice we can actually see and quantify. And what we see of Hillary's record here suggests a couple of things. One: She has no qualms whatsoever about trading your tax money for personal political capital. And two: She likes to trade much of that money for favors in the defense sector, even if it hurts the people doing the defending.
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Hillary Clinton is running an ad in Indiana blaming the Bush administration for outsourcing the guidance systems of smart bombs to China. Although the factory didn't move until 2003, the sale of the company which put this in motion was approved by the Clinton Admin in 1995 (despite concerns at the time).

'Smart bomb' technology moving to China

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Magnequench, a high-tech company created in 1986 by General Motors, pioneered the development and production of quenched neodymium-iron-boron (NdFeB) -- magnets used in the guidance system of "smart bombs." Beijing San Huan New Materials High-Tech Inc. is a holding of the Chinese Academy of Science Business Group and was established in 1985. China National Non-Ferrous Metals -- previously described by the Wall Street Journal as a "high-flying state company" -- operates under the control of the State Council, one of the major organs of the Chinese government.

The 1995 sale required approval from the Committee on Foreign Investments in the U.S., or CFIUS. The CFIUS is an inter-agency committee chaired by the secretary of treasury, tasked with conducting reviews of foreign acquisitions that might threaten national security.

"Concerns raised by American officials about what they considered a clear case of the PRC attempting to obtain control of vital U.S. weapons technology were shot down, and CFIUS permitted the buyout," reported Insight magazine and WND.

WorldNetDaily has learned that in the same year the CFIUS approved the sale, the U.S. International Trade Commission had initiated an investigation into San Huan New Materials and found they were associated with the Chinese government and were engaged in illegal practices that harmed domestic industry.
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Selling our cake and eating Bush's too?
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After last night's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate, including Sen. Obama.

Estimates vary slightly, but according to Real Clear Politics, Hillary has received 15,095,663 votes to Sen. Obama's 14,973,720, a margin of more than 120,000 votes. ABC News reported this morning that "Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama" in the popular vote.

This count includes certified vote totals in Florida and Michigan.
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So see what they have done -- the Clinton campaign and Jerome have taken the roughly 215,000 net votes Clinton gained in Pennsylvania, and added them to the popular vote count that includes the unsanctioned contests in Michigan and Florida, and excludes caucuses in four states. How's that for inclusiveness?

It gets worse. That Michigan vote estimate? Obama wasn't on the ballot. If you count the "uncommitted" votes for Obama -- all of them anti-Hillary votes, remember -- that would add 237,762 votes to Obama's total.

Which means that in Clinton and Jerome's world, Clinton is ahead in the popular vote only IF you exclude four caucus states, IF you include two unsanctioned states, and IF you "disenfranchise" every voter in Michigan who voted against Hillary Clinton.

That takes a new and particularly audacious level of chutzpah.
Irish Trojan in Tennessee:Hillary Clinton proves her contempt for democracy once and for all

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after signing a pledge to the voters of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada not to campaign in Florida and Michigan, she is now arguing that Iowa and Nevada don't matter, while Florida and Michigan do.
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Interesting ...

No holds barred, a real debate, proposed by Clinton with Obama at the opposite podium.
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MARION, Ind. — Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton turned up the rhetoric Saturday in their increasingly heated primary battle as she issued a new debate challenge and he complained of a race that's largely been reduced to trivia while working families feel economic pain.
Clinton took the debate dispute to a new level, challenging Obama to face off with her in a debate without a moderator, Lincoln-Douglas style.
"Just the two of us, going for 90 minutes, asking and answering questions, we'll set whatever rules seem fair," Clinton said while campaigning in South Bend.
Her campaign made the offer formal with a letter to the Obama campaign. Obama aides said they were studying the letter.
The more open style of debating where each side presents an argument gets its name from the famed debates that took place during the 1858 U.S. Senate race in Illinois between Republican Abraham Lincoln and Democrat Stephen Douglas.
Go for it.
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No holds barred, eh? Maybe Obama could throw the ol' kitchen sink at her:

Hendrik Hertzberg: Online Only: The New Yorker

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My point is that Hillary Clinton has not, in fact, survived the worst that the Republican attack machine (and its pilotless drones online and on talk radio) can dish out. We will learn what the worst really means if she is nominated. The Commie law firm will be only the beginning. Many tempting targets--from Bill?s little-examined fund-raising and business activities during the past seven years to the prospect of his hanging around the White House in some as yet undefined role for another four or eight years to whatever leftovers from the Clinton "scandals" of the nineteen-nineties can be retrieved from the dumpster and reheated--remain to be machine-gunned. The whole Clinton marital soap opera, obviously off limits within the Democratic fold, will offer ample material for what Obama calls "distractions." To take the most obvious example, the former President's social life since leaving the White House will become, if not "fair game," big game--and some of these right-wing dirtbags are already hiring bearers and trying on pith helmets for the safari. Is this a "there" where the Democratic Party really wants to go?
I've been wary of that endorsement Hillary got from Richard Mellon Scaife's Pittsburg Tribune-Review. Something just doesn't sit right with me when the head of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" sides with a Clinton. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but who is to say that this guy isn't sitting on a mountain of mud that he can't wait to sling at her in the general.
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NBC: Big HRC fundraiser defects to Obama

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Big HRC fundraiser defects to Obama

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One of the things that both Dem campaigns are always nervous about is defectors. In particular, Clinton is more vulnerable to this problem since she's the candidate that is trailing. Well, NBC News has learned that a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton, former Amb. to Chile Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon is leaving the campaign to join up Barack Obama's campaign. Officially dubbed a "Hillraiser," Guerra-Mondragon raised nearly $500,000 for Clinton's campaign, according to some estimates. He has been informing people inside Clintonworld this week in what's been described as some tough conversations. A formal announcement of a role for Guerra-Mondragon on Obama's national finance committee will be made next week. Guerra-Mondragon was appointed Amb. to Chile by Pres. Clinton in '94 and served until '98.

Among the reasons for Guerra-Mondragon to defect, according to one informed source, was he was uneasy with the tone of the Clinton campaign and was beginning to worry about what this would mean for the general election.

It's unclear if this defection will lead to others; the Clinton camp has been particularly effective at getting folks to keep their powder dry. For Obama, this comes at a time when his campaign is trying to re-convince insiders that the math indicates he has the nomination virtually wrapped up. In addition, Guerra-Mondragon's defection could serve as a tipping point with some key Hispanic Democratic leaders that Obama is ready to start making a bigger effort to court Hispanics.
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So Hillary Clinton is Craig Hodges???!?!?

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MSNBC: Clinton is “Skanky” : The New Argument
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Host Norah O'Donnell turned the audience?s attention to Clinton?s repeated calls for a 22nd debate with Sen. Barack Obama. She then showed a video clip in which Clinton said: "We could even do it on the back of a flatbed truck, doesn?t even have to be in some fancy studio somewhere."

In the transition between the clip and the commentary, an unknown culprit uttered the word "skanky." Oh no he/she didn't! We give you Skanky-gate.
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NC Gov. Easley endorses HRC

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North Carolina Gov. Easley endorses Clinton for president
Apr 29, 9:23 AM (ET)

By BETH FOUHY

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - Governor Mike Easley has endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.

At a joint appearance in Raleigh Tuesday morning, the two-term Democrat said Clinton "gets it."

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Obama gets this back today with an endorsement from a Kentucky Congressman.
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