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Old 04-29-2008, 12:50 PM
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Politically speaking, it suprises me that the governor of a state that has consistently polled at double-digit leads for Obama would endorse HRC ahead of the primary. Unless he truly doesn't care about maintaining his own support from the black vote, which could easily be the case in NC.
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Politically speaking, it suprises me that the governor of a state that has consistently polled at double-digit leads for Obama would endorse HRC ahead of the primary. Unless he truly doesn't care about maintaining his own support from the black vote, which could easily be the case in NC.
A rock and a hard place... maintain your support from the black vote or maintain your support with the white blue collar vote.
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Obama gets this back today with an endorsement from a Kentucky Congressman.
www.thepage.time.com

She's trading baskets, but down 20 with 5 minutes to go.
Yeah, I agree. There a good overview of how the elected / non-elected delegates might play out between now and June in today's Wall Street Journal that I just posted over on the Race to Denver thread (link).

The Clintons' trump card going into the convention, though (I believe), is still going to be the question of "electability".

But, if you listen to fallen-angel Dick Morris tell it, HRC's not focusing on this cycle, but rather gearing up for a run in 2012.
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The Clintons' trump card going into the convention, though (I believe), is still going to be the question of "electability".
The Colbert Report did a funny bit on "electability" last night. In the '04 cycle Kerry gained momentum over Dean in the primary based in large part on his perceived "electability"... couldn't have turned out better for the Democrats.
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The Colbert Report did a funny bit on "electability" last night. In the '04 cycle Kerry gained momentum over Dean in the primary based in large part on his perceived "electability"... couldn't have turned out better for the Democrats.
I'm more talking about "electability" vs. Republican nominees, which has been a weakness for the Dems the last few decades (with the exception of Bill Clinton, hence the love-hate relationship, I think).
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Politically speaking, it suprises me that the governor of a state that has consistently polled at double-digit leads for Obama would endorse HRC ahead of the primary. Unless he truly doesn't care about maintaining his own support from the black vote, which could easily be the case in NC.
He's a lame duck governor (term limits)

both candidates for Democratic governor have already endorsed Obama.
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He's a lame duck governor (term limits)

both candidates for Democratic governor have already endorsed Obama.
Ah, thank you - didn't research my post (obviously)
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You've got to be kidding me ..

no, not the endorsement, but rather the reaction to the comments from outgoing Governor Mike Easley's comparison of Clinton over Rocky Balboa:

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Referring to his own reputation as a hard-charging politician, he said, "I've been accused of being persistent and downright aggravating." As Clinton stood next to him in an auditorium at North Carolina University, he added, "But this lady right here makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy." (More about the event is available here.)
Yep, that has the gay community up in arms - the apology from her campaign for what someone else said is surely forthcoming.
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Will this story have any legs?

Clinton possibly implicated in illegal "registration drive" robo-calling ahead of NC Primary.
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Who's behind the mysterious "robo-calls" that have spread misleading voter information and sown confusion and frustration among North Carolina residents over the last week?

Facing South has confirmed the source of the calls, and the mastermind is Women's Voices Women Vote, a D.C.-based nonprofit which aims to boost voting among "unmarried women voters."

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What's more, Facing South has learned that the firestorm Women's Voices has ignited in North Carolina isn't the group's first brush with controversy. Women's Voices' questionable tactics have spawned thousands of voter complaints in at least 11 states and brought harsh condemnation from some election officials for their secrecy, misleading nature and likely violations of election law.
First, a quick recap: As we covered yesterday, N.C. residents have reported receiving peculiar automated calls from someone claiming to be "Lamont Williams." The caller says that a "voter registration packet" is coming in the mail, and the recipient can sign it and mail it back to be registered to vote. No other information is provided.

The call is deceptive because the deadline has already passed for mail-in registrations for North Carolina's May 6 primary. Also, many who have received the calls -- like Kevin Farmer in Durham, who made a tape of the call that is available here -- are already registered. The call's suggestion that they're not registered has caused widespread confusion and drawn hundreds of complaints, including many from African-American voters who received the calls.
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Some have also questioned the ties between Women's Voices operatives and Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton. Gardner, for example, contributed $2,500 to Clinton's HILLPAC on May 4, 2006, and in March 2005 she donated a total of $4,200 to Clinton, according to The Center for Responsive Politics' OpenSecrets.org. She has not contributed to the Obama campaign, according to the database.

Women's Voices Executive Director Joe Goode worked for Bill Clinton's election campaign in 1992 as a pollster; the group's website says he was intimately involved in "development and implementation of all polling and focus groups done for the presidential primary and general election campaigns" for Clinton.

Women's Voices board member John Podesta, former Chief of Staff for President Bill Clinton, donated $2,300 to Hillary Clinton on April 19, 2007, according to OpenSecrets.org. Podesta also donated $1,000 to Barack Obama in July 2004, but that was well before Obama announced his candidacy for president.

"The reports from other states are very disturbing, especially the pattern of mass confusion among targeted voters on the eve of a state's primary," Democracy North Carolina's Bob Hall tells Facing South. "These are highly skilled political operatives -- something doesn't add up. Maybe it's all well-intended and explainable. At this moment, our first priority is to stop the robo-calls and prevent the chaos and potential disenfranchisement caused by this group sending 276,000 packets of registration forms into North Carolina a few days before a heated primary election. We need their immediate cooperation."
It would be good for Clinton if this was a one off for the WVWV organization - unhappily it is now the eleventh time that this type of calling has been performed, all at the wrong time, past the registration date - just as in NC.
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If we needed any evidence that this primary has gone on too long, this is it.
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Just saw the interview with O'Reilly. All I can say is that she was in her element. She thrives on the fight. I guess if you think that is what it is all about... fighting, then she's your gal.
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Rev. Wright has done yeoman's work in keeping Hillary's campaign viable. He's sure to be up for a Cabinet position in a Clinton2 White House. Secretary of [censored]edoffedness, perhaps. (Limbaugh would be the favorite if McCain wins.)
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Wow.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...397,full.story
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In May 1975, Washington County prosecutor Mahlon Gibson called Rodham, who had taken over the law clinic months earlier, to tell her she'd been appointed to represent a hard-drinking factory worker named Thomas Alfred Taylor, who had requested a female attorney.

In her 2003 autobiography "Living History," Clinton writes that she initially balked at the assignment, but eventually secured a lenient plea deal for Taylor after a New York-based forensics expert she hired "cast doubt on the evidentiary value of semen and blood samples collected by the sheriff's office."

However, that account leaves out a significant aspect of her defense strategy - attempting to impugn the credibility of the victim, according to a Newsday examination of court and investigative files and interviews with witnesses, law enforcement officials and the victim.

Rodham, records show, questioned the sixth grader's honesty and claimed she had made false accusations in the past. She implied that the girl often fantasized and sought out "older men" like Taylor, according to a July 1975 affidavit signed "Hillary D. Rodham" in compact cursive.
Nothing like attacking a 12 year old rape victim on the stand. Especially, when there seems to be no evidence any of this was true. The article contains statements from the victim and others involved in the case. If Hillary signed the affidavit with no evidence, this was clearly an ethics violation. Sadly, it's not like the truth has ever kept Hillary from making personal attacks. Fully vetted my ass.
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Un-[censored]ing-believable. Actually, it's no surprise.
Peter Dreier: Sidney Blumenthal Uses Former Right-Wing Foes To Attack Obama - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post

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Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama's character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren't being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers -- including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers -- in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists. One of the recipients of the Blumenthal email blast, himself a Clinton supporter, forwards the material to me and perhaps to others.
Think Matt Drudge is on his distribution list?
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