Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (official)

['BusNative]

More commentary on the "ugly" side of the HRC demographic. It's interesting that more stories from this angle have started to leak out lately (last few days).

Ugly truth why Hillary Clinton won't quit

Ugly truth why Hillary Clinton won't quit

BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Wednesday, May 7th 2008, 4:00 AM

While the case for Hillary Clinton to stay in the race is shakier than ever, one ugly reason for staying in could be found Tuesday amid the ruddy, sun-kissed Hoosiers who cheered her on to victory at the Indianapolis Speedway.

With Clinton posing alongside pioneering Indy speedster Sarah Fisher, there were almost no African-Americans to be seen. Many in the white, working-class crowd were simply not ready to back Barack Obama - for reasons that are disturbing.

"I'm kind of still up in the air between McCain and Hillary," said Jason Jenkins, 32, who cited information from a hoax e-mail as a reason to spurn Obama.

"I'll be honest with you. Barack scares the hell out of me,"he said. "He swore on the Koran...

['BusNative]

from one of my new favorite work passtimes, Us Versus Them

Hey Hillary, the jig is up, you lost ? Us Versus Them

Hey Hillary, the jig is up, you lost

What possible rationale could Hillary Clinton or even a Hillary Clinton supporter have to keep the Senator from New York in the race at this point?


Ok, other than that cat. Honestly, at this point the only way Hillary can win this race would be to hijack it from the will of the people. The primaries are functionally over. She lost the popular vote plain and simple. I mean, who is she trying to be, the first female president, someone who is respected for her mind and toughness or Georgia Dubyah Bush, a chick who had to resort to tomfoolery, deception and post-shifting just so that she can win no matter what the cost?

At this point there is a clear credibility issue at stake. I mean, if Hilly C. somehow manages to trick the Super Delegates into going against the popular vote, not only will she undermine her own candidacy in the general election, but she?ll ruin the legitimacy of the Democratic Party globally. Hell, I?m a ride or die Democrat and I might have to leave those fools if they pull some Florida/Katherine Harris inspired bull[censored] just so she can run against Old Mayne McCain...

[Buckeye86]

Slightly off topic but

"I'll be honest with you. Barack scares the hell out of me,"he said. "He swore on the Koran...

even if he did swear in on the Koran... who gives a [censored]. Why does that scare people?

It's like stupidity squared #1 believe a ridiculous lie that would take two seconds to disprove #2 be "scared" of something based on complete and total ignorance of culture and religion

[AKAKBUCK]

Originally Posted by Buckeye86

Slightly off topic but



even if he did swear in on the Koran... who gives a [censored]. Why does that scare people?

It's like stupidity squared #1 believe a ridiculous lie that would take two seconds to disprove #2 be "scared" of something based on complete and total ignorance of culture and religion

I think you just answered your own question.

[Buckeye86]

Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK

I think you just answered your own question.

Yeah, it's still pretty depressing. Clinton does the best among the least educated. These are the Indiana exit poll results but it's a solid trend nationwide.

[BuckeyeSoldier]

Ive received a few of the emails in question. It hurts my head to even acknowledges humans believe them. I have also told off every friend of mine who was dumb enough to pass it on. See, politics cost you friends. lol

[sandgk]

Nothing like total disconnection from reality to drive political ambition:

Hillary will remain in the race "until there is a nominee."

Hillary Rodham Clinton says she will remain in the presidential race "until there's a nominee." The former first lady declined to say whether that meant through the roll call of the states at the Democratic National Convention this summer.

Hell, even 85 year old George McGovern - for whom the Clinton's stumped in older days - has recognized that the deal is up:

And in endorsing Obama, former Sen. George McGovern said Wednesday it's virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination. McGovern said he had a call in to former President Clinton to tell him of the decision, adding that he remains close friends with the Clintons.
"I will hold them in affection and admiration all of my days," he said of the Clintons.
McGovern's announcement comes a day before Clinton was scheduled to travel to South Dakota to campaign. The state holds its primary June 3 with 15 pledged delegates at stake.
McGovern said he had no regrets about endorsing Hillary Clinton months ago, even before the Iowa caucuses.
"She has run a valiant campaign. And she will remain an influential voice in the American future," he said.
But Obama has won the nomination "by any practical test" and is very close to a majority of the pledged delegates, said McGovern, who is 85. Obama moved within 200 delegates of clinching the nomination with his split decision on Tuesday of a win in North Carolina and a narrow loss in Indiana.
It's time to unite the Democratic Party, he said.

Now why can't she come to the simple realization that her candidacy is toast?

"Hillary, of course, will make the decision as to if and when she ends her campaign. But I hope that she reaches that decision soon so that we can concentrate on a unified party capable of winning the White House next November," he said.

Here's an idea DNC, make the decision for her. Obama is in Washington wooing Super Delegates. Line up alongside Obama, preferably on the steps leading to Capitol Hill, and make it clear that his status as putative nominee is changed to one of actual nominee.

And then see if she is a woman of her word.

[AKAKBUCK]

Originally Posted by sandgk

Now why can't she come to the simple realization that her candidacy is toast?

Here's an idea DNC, make the decision for her. Obama is in Washington wooing Super Delegates. Line up alongside Obama, preferably on the steps leading to Capitol Hill, and make it clear that his status as putative nominee is changed to one of actual nominee.

And then see if she is a woman of her word.

Because that, my friend, would ruin all of the fun.

Not to mention that if McCain wins... he'll be REALLY old in 4 years... and... Hilly will be back.. she's not going to be seen as a quitter.

[MaxBuck]

Outcomes ranked desirability per Hillary Clinton:

1. Clinton victory in November (duh)

2. McCain victory in November (he'll be ancient in 2012, making him vulnerable to a Hillary challenge)

3. Obama victory (no way Hilly would be nominated in 2012 in this scenario, and in 2016 she'll be too old and craggy to be viable)

Strategy to discredit Obama is alive and directed toward avoiding outcome #3 at all costs. HRC is not about Democrat victory; she's about HRC victory.

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeSoldier

Ive received a few of the emails in question. It hurts my head to even acknowledges humans believe them. I have also told off every friend of mine who was dumb enough to pass it on. See, politics cost you friends. lol

Obama's website has some responses that you can "cut and paste" into a "reply all" when you get that stuff. I'm sure there are others, but here is one example:

Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Shawn's Blog: In defense of Senator Obama against false email and internet attacks

[sandgk]

If this data holds up then Hillary's margin of victory in IN was just over 1%.

Hillary Clinton - 642940
Barack Obama - 629031

This appears to be data that is more complete (i.e. 100% of the turnout) than the report seen earlier at HP.

INDIANA RESULTS - 99% Reporting
Clinton
638,192
51%
Obama
615,753
49%

[Bob Marley]

I'll tell you what I'm tired of - it's Hillary's damn campaign and the pundits telling me that I'm not part of the "most important" demographic. I am young (the real me, not Bob Marley), college educated and non-white... which apparently means my vote isn't worth as much as others since I'm part of - what's deemed to be - Obama's demographic.

F**k that.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Bob Marley

I'll tell you what I'm tired of - it's Hillary's damn campaign and the pundits telling me that I'm not part of the "most important" demographic. I am young (the real me, not Bob Marley), college educated and non-white... which apparently means my vote isn't worth as much as others since I'm part of - what's deemed to be - Obama's demographic.

F**k that.

I think you're taking it the wrong way. You aren't as important statistically. If a million green cap wearing voters thought one way on issues, and ten thousand yellow cap wearing voters thought another way about issues, the candidates would care more about what the green cap wearing folks thought, because of the greater number of voters.

It is that simple, and to an extent absolutely color blind. All they care about is the number of votes. The demographic could be anything, just so long as it is a large anything. The large anything is more important just because it is large.

[shetuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

...The large anything is more important just because it is large.

How YOU doin'?

[Bob Marley]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

I think you're taking it the wrong way. You aren't as important statistically. If a million green cap wearing voters thought one way on issues, and ten thousand yellow cap wearing voters thought another way about issues, the candidates would care more about what the green cap wearing folks thought, because of the greater number of voters.

It is that simple, and to an extent absolutely color blind. All they care about is the number of votes. The demographic could be anything, just so long as it is a large anything. The large anything is more important just because it is large.

I hear what youre saying, but that wont change all of the soundbites about the "white working class voters." Its just annoying, thats all. And after hearing it so much in the last few days, Ive crossed from annoyed to angry.