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Ah, [censored] - I'm always late to the "Moron" debates.
Hang..ing...curve....must.....not.....swing.....
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The problem is that they have completely gotten away from their core principles. Low taxes and small government. They will have to do some self evaluation as you say. Hopefully, they realize where they've gone wrong and go back to doing what got them there 8 years ago.

I hope your last sentence doesn't happen, for everyone's sake.
I agree completely. This year the Republicans have the same exact problem as Kerry had in 2004, nothing to say but bad things about the other guy, and that usually doesn't work.

And I also think that the Republican Party has diverged from their core principles somewhat purposefully based on Karl Rove's strategy of mobilizing the base through the use of hot button issues such as abortion and gay marriage. The Republicans bit off a lot in the past eight years based on their confidence over winning election using the Rove strategy, they lost site of what governing is all about with big dreams of regime change in the middle east and various other things, and now they are choking.

And just as a little side note, I'll believe small government when I see it. I'd like to see a list of things that Republican Presidents have done (even Reagan) to reduce the size of the federal government... it wouldn't be a very long list.

Oh, and just one final thing, what got them there eight years ago may not work for Republicans anymore since Bush seemingly turned an entire generation (my generation) pretty solidly Democratic, or at the very least not solidly Republican. Which is another reason why the party needs to do some serious soul searching if they want to be competitive in upcoming elections, at least in my opinion.

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Katrina hit - Bush's fault. It took Bush days to really react. Anecdotally, in one of his first public addresses, he strangely focused on Trent Lott's house... FEMA (like just about every other government organization) has a chain of command that has to be followed to get the right people in the right spots. Nagin couldn't even get his own evacuation plan in place before the Hurricane and Blanco was an even bigger mess. FEMA isn't blameless, but President Bush, short if miracling the coordination like Obama clearly can and would ( ), didn't have much to do with it.

The WTC attacks occurred - obviously Bush's fault. Bush, in response, attacks the wrong country - still hasn't caught Bin Laden - Afghanistan was the wrong country???

China and India have more than doubled their oil intake over the past decade - this is more of Bush's fault than anything else. This is a problem, but wouldn't be quite as scary if we had an alternative energy plan. Not solely Bush's fault, but his administration hasn't done anything for alternative energy...and neither did Clinton....and it's not like congress has come up with anything since 2000 either....but let's bankrupt the coal industry, just to make the energy crunch that much worse....

My dog ran away - Bush's fault - Sorry, this one is true. The bastard!!!
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Why should they?
Not being facetious, but did you just say people shouldn't for who they thought would be best for them. If not your statement is nonsensical.
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That's true, but its painfully obvious that most people didn't vote with their heads 4 years ago.
Maybe they did.....Kerry is about the biggest douche the democrats could have put up and it was obvious that Hillary wanted no part of an incumbent President....

the only bigger douche was Edwards and he was, for whatever reason, the VP candidate.....
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perhaps maybe a 1000 tax credit (as it is currently being proposed) now isn't best for your checkbook in the long run?
When then 25% cut in DOD spending occurs, I'll let you know....
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Hee-hee...I'm resigning January 10th.

I just wanted to [censored] with Scooter!
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Maybe they did.....Kerry is about the biggest douche the democrats could have put up and it was obvious that Hillary wanted no part of an incumbent President....

the only bigger douche was Edwards and he was, for whatever reason, the VP candidate.....
George Bush frequently wears cowboy hats, you do not want to get into a doucheoff about this.
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Not being facetious, but did you just say people shouldn't for who they thought would be best for them. If not your statement is nonsensical.
that isn't what I meant...the 95% of Americans getting a tax cut is great but it could possibly be VERY misleading, b/c a tax cut does little for someone who just lost their job.
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When then 25% cut in DOD spending occurs, I'll let you know....
would we need that extra 25% in DOD spending if we weren't bleeding money in Iraq. Doubtful.
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George Bush frequently wears cowboy hats, you do not want to get into a doucheoff about this.
Interesting interpretation of a douche.
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Interesting interpretation of a douche.
Cowboy hats are fine, if your a rancher. The closest he does to ranching is moving brush piles while the media watches.
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Cowboy hats are fine, if your a rancher. The closest he does to ranching is moving brush piles while the media watches.
I thought he was a redneck in tight with the oil industry.
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Cowboy hats are fine, if your a rancher. The closest he does to ranching is moving brush piles while the media watches.
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once again, your opinion.

(also, I don't read my posts before hitting submit, and I'm too close to going to bed to go back and fix it.)
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