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Anyone else see irony in the fact that Fox and NY Post were quick to jump on this story with little (if any) sources, when they lambasted the people who reported on Bush's National Guard story, or Rathergate? You can't have it both ways here fellas........
CNN broke the story. Everyone reported it.
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CNN broke the story. Everyone reported it.
So you were watching CNN and caught it on air? You don't strike me as a typical CNN viewer, sure you didn't catch that one on Fox?
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So you were watching CNN and caught it on air? You don't strike me as a typical CNN viewer, sure you didn't catch that one on Fox?
LOL. Naw, I read it on their website. I use all news networks. Truth of the matter is, all forms of media are going to be biased somewhat. It is just better to accept this, recognize this, take this for what it is worth, and educate yourself.
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I can't see him surviving the primarys. the other Dems will rip into him and leave a stockpile of arguments for GOP "Here's what his fellow Democrats thought of Barak Obama," commercials.

On the other hand, if the GOP gets fractured by the war, if the surge neither succeeds nor fails, if Brownback ends up on the GOP ticket, Adlai Stevenson could probably win.
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Presidency? Maybe. I voted yes because anything's possible.

Party nomination? That's a no-brainer. One pic and he's in.

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Here's a web site with a different take on Obama and his past. I will need to evaluate this for myself, but at first blush it does make him unacceptable to me for ANY national office.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...k_hussein.html
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I'm not convinced that Obama, whether Muslim or not, can win.

But what if he is Muslim? What if he did attend an Islamic extremist school as a kid? Does something that happened in his past that he had absolutely no control over eliminate him from contention?

Did you choose your school? Were your parents of the same faith as you? Are you viewed differently because of it?
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So you were watching CNN and caught it on air? You don't strike me as a typical CNN viewer, sure you didn't catch that one on Fox?
CNN was where I first saw the story, they mentioned the Post and that is how I got there.. I wouldn't put this past the Clinton's to do. What stood out at me was that it was 40 years ago, and that Hillary was supposedly behind it. Hillary the leader of the "accept everyone " party. I myself will never vote for anyone who is for gay marraige.
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We all know money can win a campaign. Barack is trying to get a lot of it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012600584.html

"But a newcomer to Hollywood's money trail, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, is headed next month to a fund-raiser hosted by three of the most influential moguls in show business -- Steven Spielberg, David Geffen and Jeffrey Katzenberg of DreamWorks."
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Blacks are unsure of Obama.

"How does he identify himself?" asked Martin, who was pastor to the late Harold Washington, Chicago's first black mayor. "Will he continue to be an African American, or will he become some kind of new creation?"


"How does he identify himself?" asked Martin, who was pastor to the late Harold Washington, Chicago's first black mayor. "Will he continue to be an African American, or will he become some kind of new creation?"
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FWIW, most of this muslim [censored] is being cooked up the the right......typical.
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Anyone else see irony in the fact that Fox and NY Post were quick to jump on this story with little (if any) sources, when they lambasted the people who reported on Bush's National Guard story, or Rathergate? You can't have it both ways here fellas........
A quick search reveals that this story was not broken recently. Obama's Muslim roots were revealed more than two years ago by lefty columnist Andy Martin. Here is Martin recently claiming credit for it (and bashing Obama just a bit in the process).
Two years ago I pointed out that Obama came from a Muslim family and that he misrepresented the impoverished origins of his father. No one wanted to pay attention to the facts or the truth. Except me. On December 5th Sweet wrote that Obama was not hiding his middle name, ?Hussein,? or his father?s religion. Obama may not have hidden it, but the media did. They didn?t want to bore voters with the facts about Mr. Obama.

Much has been made of Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the U. S. House last month. Obama would be the first lapsed Muslim to run for president.

Of course Obama only plays the ?dad? card when it serves him. No mention of dad?s religion or the Hussein family name when the klieg lights are on. (Ellison, by the way, is a convert to Islam, just as Obama is a convert to Christianity. Or does Obama have his ?white? relatives to thank for that?)

I can't find his original post, but I did find a reproduction of it on Free Republic. They give Martin's e-mail address so maybe if you contact him he will send you the original.

"Fiction: Obama stated in his Convention speech: 'My father ... grew up herding goats.' The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie. Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman.


"Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name. Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion. I am a strong supporter of the Muslim community, and I believe Muslims have been scapegoated. Obama has a great opportunity to be forthright. Instead, he has treated his Muslim heritage as a dark secret. His grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an Arabic-Muslim, not African, name. Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior, 'Baraka.' Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa.


"Barack Senior was also a devoted Muslim, and also chose a Muslim name for his son, our own Barack Obama, Junior. Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic.

Obama has spent a lifetime running from his family heritage and religious heritage. Would his father have given his son a Koranic name if the father was not a devout Muslim? Obama's stepfather was also a Muslim. Obama will be the first Muslim-heritage senator; he should be proud of that fact. There is nothing to be ashamed of in any of the three great Abrahamic religions.

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I'm not convinced that Obama, whether Muslim or not, can win.

But what if he is Muslim? What if he did attend an Islamic extremist school as a kid? Does something that happened in his past that he had absolutely no control over eliminate him from contention?

Did you choose your school? Were your parents of the same faith as you? Are you viewed differently because of it?
He's not Muslim, he attends the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
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He's not Muslim, he attends the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
DPS already pointed that out earlier. What Andy Martin was upset about was not that Obama was raised Muslim. He was upset because he thinks Obama lied about it.
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DPS already pointed that out earlier. What Andy Martin was upset about was not that Obama was raised Muslim. He was upset because he thinks Obama lied about it.
I must have missed that post....sorry about that. thanks for pointing it out!
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He's not Muslim, he attends the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Completely off my point...

Again, what if he is a Muslim? Does that exclude him from the presidency?

Would we not elect a Hindu based on the fact that he's Hindu? Despite having sound policies and clean history?
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