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Straight talk in Spanish?

FactCheck.org: Errors en Espa?ol

Directamente expreso de conversaci?n!
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Matthew Yglesias (July 10, 2008) - Who Speaks for John McCain (Domestic Policy)

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McCain says today that Phil Gramm doesn't speak for him when he calls the United States a "nation of whiners" suffering from a "mental recession" but today is also the day that McCain sent Phil Gramm to speak for him to the Wall Street Journal editorial board. There whole question of whether or not the current economic downturn is real or else some kind of mass hallucination doesn't strike me as a minor economic policy issue -- if McCain doesn't agree with his top economics surrogates about it, he probably needs a new team.
It's the ECONOMY stupid!

Let's summarize:

Social security is an "absolute disgrace."

Zero economists support his plan of a gas tax holiday.

His campaign lied that Obama voted to raise the taxes on those making as little as $32K. While his health care plan actually would effectively raise taxes on many with an employer subsidized health care plan, hitting lower income workers the hardest.

"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," McCain said.


No [censored], John. Maybe you need a new chief economic adviser, one who didn't create the so-called "Enron loophole" deregulating electronic trading of oil futures while his wife sat on the board of that company as they created fake outages to screw Californians out of $40 billion.

Oh almost forgot, he wants to make the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy permanent, even though he opposed them as irresponsible, while giving the wealthy countless other tax breaks (AMT, capital gains, inheritance). And yet he plans to balance the budget in 4 years (which would require cutting the entire nonsecurity discretionary buget - you know... what the federal government operates on).

McCainonomics is da bomb! (And if you don't think so, it's all in your head you whiney little bastard).

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Max Bergmann: The Week That Should Have Ended McCain's Presidential Hopes - Politics on The Huffington Post

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This is the week that should have effectively ended John McCain's efforts to become the next president of the United States. But you wouldn't know it if you watched any of the mainstream media outlets or followed political reporting in the major newspapers.

During this past week: McCain called the most important entitlement program in the U.S. a disgrace, his top economic adviser called the American people whiners, McCain released an economic plan that no one thought was serious, he flip flopped on Iraq, joked about the deaths of Iranian citizens, and denied making comments that he clearly made -- TWICE. All this and it is not even Friday! Yet watching and reading the mainstream press you would think McCain was having a pretty decent political week, I mean at least Jesse Jackson didn't say anything about him.
But let's unpack McCain's week in a little more detail.
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HOw big would this story be if Kerry/Gore/OBama said it?

In Pennsylvania, McCain Tells a New Version of Heroic P.O.W. Story -- Subbing the Pittsburgh Steelers for the Green Bay Packers

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McCain's broken marriage and fractured Reagan friendship - Los Angeles Times

McCain's broken marriage and fractured Reagan friendship

McCain, who is about to become the GOP nominee, has made several statements about how he divorced Carol and married Hensley that conflict with the public record.

In his 2002 memoir, "Worth the Fighting For," McCain wrote that he had separated from Carol before he began dating Hensley.

An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year -- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.

Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.

richard.serrano@latimes.com

Looks like Nancy thinks he's not a Reagan Revolutionary.
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McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.


HBO's Big Love starring John McCain????



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Let me just interject and say who among us can criticize a man for marrying a much younger multi-millionarie beer heiresss?

I mean, the nymphomaniac tri-fecta would be nice, but that is a near perfect bride.
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John McCain billboards sponsored by Viagra - California Faultline
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Los Angeles area billboards have recently been debased by guerrilla artist Ron English, as evidenced by the above John McCain "I Wanna Be Erected" ad, sponsored, apparently, by Viagra.
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Oh I see, we mid-westerners aren't "bitter," we're depressed:

Is Florida the Sunset State? -- Printout -- TIME
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I felt better after talking to the bubbly Crist, who's like human Prozac. "How can you not be optimistic about Florida?" he asked. "Is there a more beautiful place on the planet?" He then recounted a story that probably won't help him in the GOP Veepstakes: "John McCain told me, 'It's tough in those Rust Belt states. You really feel a bit of depression in people's outlook. But when you get to Florida, people feel great.' And it's true! The outlook is always bright here!" When I reminded him of Florida's growth-challenged economy and growth-ravaged environment, he took no offense. "We're going to make a new Florida!" he declared.
Is it just me or does Charlie Crist remind you of Bob Barker on crank?

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Oh I see, we mid-westerners aren't "bitter," we're depressed:



Is it just me or does Charlie Crist remind you of Bob Barker on crank?



Whoa! Looks like somebody's got a serious case of the Mondays!
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Who is running this campaign!!!!? Whoever it is needs to be fired last week. McCain is doing everything wrong. This is a very winnable election, except he can't convey one clear idea to the general public. Where is the energy plan? Where is the economic plan? Oh wait, he has one but he can't tell anyone whats in it. Unless they get their [censored] together, McCain will get smoked.
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HOw big would this story be if Kerry/Gore/OBama said it?

In Pennsylvania, McCain Tells a New Version of Heroic P.O.W. Story -- Subbing the Pittsburgh Steelers for the Green Bay Packers

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extremely embarrasing. that is a hillary clinton move.

see my prior post.
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Poll: Obama Beating McCain In Arizona

Washington Independent | July 11, 2008 08:43 AM



In a sign of continued weakness in his home state, an online poll shows
Sen. John McCain trailing Sen. Barack Obama by 3-percentage points in Arizona.

The poll also shows the candidacy of Libertarian Bob Barr is having a significant
impact on McCain's campaign by siphoning off conservative voters nationwide.

Read the whole story here.

As Perot gave us Clinton, and Nader gave us Bush II, the Barr factor is increasingly interesting.
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Who is running this campaign!!!!? Whoever it is needs to be fired last week. McCain is doing everything wrong. This is a very winnable election, except he can't convey one clear idea to the general public. Where is the energy plan? Where is the economic plan? Oh wait, he has one but he can't tell anyone whats in it. Unless they get their [censored] together, McCain will get smoked.
Seriously. I watch the news every night and ask myself if McCain is trying to lose this election. The way he's dealing w/ the economy issue is really telling. Despite the fact that he's admitted he isn't as well-versed on the economy as he ought to be, it's actually Obama that has employed a who's who among economics thinkers in America. McCain, on the other hand, turns to his best bud Phil Gram, and we all know where that has gone.
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