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Old 08-11-2008, 08:49 PM
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Tom Daschle is a national co-chair of Obama's campaign. Obama, McCain or any presidential candidate running a serious campaign will some ex-lobbyists on staff.
Thanks.

I'll take the lack of proof on compensation by the Obama campaign to Baker et al to close the book on currency of The Hill's assertion regarding them being (as The Hill claimed) "on the '08 Obama Payroll."

As for having past political scions of the Democratic Party like Daschle as co-chairs I think that is far, far different from having a lobbyist on staff.
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Thanks.

I'll take the lack of proof on compensation by the Obama campaign to Baker et al to close the book on currency of The Hill's assertion regarding them being (as The Hill claimed) "on the '08 Obama Payroll."

As for having past political scions of the Democratic Party like Daschle as co-chairs I think that is far, far different from having a lobbyist on staff.
You do realize Tom Daschle is an ex lobbyist?

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You do realize Tom Daschle is an ex lobbyist?
Daschle has never been a registered lobbyist, although he has advised clients who have lobbyists. As noted in my post above, it has been incorrectly reported that he was a lobbyist but his contract specifically states he is not.

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Daschle isn't a registered lobbyist, yet has clout. ``Some of the most powerful people in Washington's influence industry aren't registered to lobby,'' Krumholz said.
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Thanks MuckFich06 - I took it for granted that DaytonBuck meant what you said till he chimed back with the "you do realize Daschle is a lobbyist" bit. Glad you clarified his status completely.
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Tom Daschle certainly isn't working on K-Street to gain access or curry favor
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Thanks MuckFich06 - I took it for granted that DaytonBuck meant what you said till he chimed back with the "you do realize Daschle is a lobbyist" bit. Glad you clarified his status completely.
To be honest, I even thought he had been a lobbyist until I recently saw a clarification because it has been so commonly misreported.
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Sandgk, you got me Barack Obama has never and does not currently associate with anyone involved in the lobbying business. Jack Farber and AT&T say thanks for showing in Denver.

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Sandgk, you got me Barack Obama has never and does not currently associate with anyone involved in the lobbying business. Jack Farber and AT&T say thanks for showing in Denver.

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Lack of association was not my claim. Your linked article claimed "on '08 Obama Payroll."

Show me the current lobbyist payroll for Obama - as The Hill depicted in it's headline.

Put up, or shut up.

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Lack of association was not my claim. Your linked article claimed "on '08 Obama Payroll."

Show me the lobbyist payroll for Obama - as The Hill depicted in it's headline.

Put up, or shut up.
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Buffy Wicks will serve as Missouri State Director for Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign and will be based in St. Louis, the Obama camp announced Thursday.

Wicks most recently served as Obama's deputy field director in Texas and the field director in California. Before joining Obama's campaign, she headed campaigns for affordable health care and higher wages for the United Food and Commercial Workers Union.
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No Ban on Lobbyists as Advisers for Obama

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has made a big deal about the fact that his campaign doesn't accept political donations from Washington lobbyists, and recently declared that "they won't run my White House, and they won't set the agenda in Washington." But that ban doesn't extend to seeking their endorsements, or their advice.

Daniel Shapiro, one of Obama's foreign policy advisers on the Middle East, registered to lobby for several corporate clients in the last year, since leaving the office of Rep. Bill Nelson (D-Fla). Shapiro, who worked during the 1990s for President Bill Clinton's National Security Council, counts some of America's biggest corporate names among his clients, including beermaker Anheuser-Busch, carmaker Daimler Chrysler, the American Petroleum Institute and Freddie Mac.

Obama also recently secured the endorsement of former South Carolina governor Jim Hodges, who now runs a lobbying firm, the Hodges Consulting Group, and is registered himself as a federal lobbyist for Hillenbrand Partners, a Chicago-based company that does business with the Federal Home Loan Bank, according to U.S. Senate lobbying disclosure records. Hodges reported receiving $12,000 from the client in the first half of 2007, the records show. Hodges also signed on as a national co-chair of Obama's campaign and is advising Obama on his southern political strategy.

A Post review of Obama's payroll, advisers and endorsements found several other Washington lobbyists. Obama staffer Buffy Wicks was registered in 2007 to lobby for the United Food and Commercial Workers union, while two fellow campaign aides were registered in 2006 to lobby for the Democratic-leaning Center for American Progress.

Obama's early state coordinator, Steve Hildebrand was registered since 2005 to represent an environmental firm but filed a report terminating his lobbying registration around the time he joined the campaign last January.

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A state director of a campaign is most certainly on the payroll

Steve Hildebrand is the Deputy Campaign Manager and at one time was lobbyist.

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Jeffery Berman, Sen. Barack Obama’s director of delegate selection.

Many campaign operatives make a career of politics, but delegate counters tend to be an exception. They’re typically lawyers by training, for one. And their skills are in demand only every four years. Berman, despite the Obama campaign’s anti-lobbyist stance, has spent most non-campaign time at the Washington law and lobbying firm Winston and Strawn, where he specialized in telecommunications. His main lobbying client, according to federal filings, was the in-flight telecommunications firm Aircell.

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A state director of a campaign is most certainly on the payroll
You score one Union organizer.

See, it helps to be challenged.

But, Obama shows no real sign of backing away from his own statement - quoted in the article:

"they won't run my White House, and they won't set the agenda in Washington."
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Why Are Republicans Bailing On Their Own Convention? “Nobody Likes A Funeral.”

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Nobody likes a funeral, said a Senate Republican press secretary who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing ?the overall climate of general malaise about the party as the reason for hesitance on the part of Republicans.
If the GOP is having trouble generating excitement within the party, how can they expect to generate it outside of the party?
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Firedoglake ? Why Are Republicans Bailing On Their Own Convention? ?Nobody Likes A Funeral.?

If the GOP is having trouble generating excitement within the party, how can they expect to generate it outside of the party?
I think these Repubs need a battery-charging vacation to the Creation Museum - Creation, Evolution, Science, Dinosaurs, Family, Christian Worldview - Creation Museum to get themselves pumped up! And some educational highlights are always in order!

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Why Are Republicans Bailing On Their Own Convention? ?Nobody Likes A Funeral.?

If the GOP is having trouble generating excitement within the party, how can they expect to generate it outside of the party?
Actually I think they're absolutely counting on it. The only chance McCain has is to keep the swing voters away from Obama, so the less they can make it look like the "same ol' Repubs" the better chance they have. Hell, remember 2004? That could have been a McCain convention, with the Governator and several less-than-die-hards giving prime speeches. They have to bank on capturing the middle and having enough of the base scared of an Obama Presidency to actually get out and vote.
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Actually I think they're absolutely counting on it. The only chance McCain has is to keep the swing voters away from Obama, so the less they can make it look like the "same ol' Repubs" the better chance they have. Hell, remember 2004? That could have been a McCain convention, with the Governator and several less-than-die-hards giving prime speeches. They have to bank on capturing the middle and having enough of the base scared of an Obama Presidency to actually get out and vote.

Maybe you are right, but it comes across to me as a lack of party strength and unity overall. McCain and the GOP already have to fight an uphill battle to get good press, given the current state of things and the general attitudes of the press to being with. The convention gives them their best shot at having the spotlight shine on McCain (at least for a few days) and to make good, postive use of it. Obama can't seem to shed the limelight, even when he is on vacation.
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