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Old 10-30-2008, 07:56 PM
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I think even the McCains have lost track of how many houses/properties they have.

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Old 10-30-2008, 07:58 PM
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why does that matter to you?
I don't feel comfortable with someone in office who doesn't know how many houses he has.
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anyone seen the charitable contributions of the two candidates?

The last two years mccain and his wife donated 3.1% of their income to charity

obama and his wife combined donated 5.7%

biden donated a whopping .3% of his income to charity
Updated math using the direct quote from McCain's campaign.
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why does that matter to you?
It certainly doesn't help McCain. It paints him to be a huge elitist. Even my mother living in a very red area heard he has several (she heard seven) houses. It matters to her a lot that he's so far removed from the middle class. And if it matters to her, then it matters to many others who might be switching their vote from red to blue.
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It certainly doesn't help McCain. It paints him to be a huge elitist. Even my mother living in a very red area heard he has several (she heard seven) houses. It matters to her a lot that he's so far removed from the middle class. And if it matters to her, then it matters to many others who might be switching their vote from red to blue.
Well that's a dumb reason to pick someone.
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It certainly doesn't help McCain. It paints him to be a huge elitist. Even my mother living in a very red area heard he has several (she heard seven) houses. It matters to her a lot that he's so far removed from the middle class. And if it matters to her, then it matters to many others who might be switching their vote from red to blue.
well that's your mom's opinion. what about you?

to me it says he doesn't spend much time on his investment portfolio which could be a good thing (because he's busy being a senator/running for president) or it could be a bad thing (because he doesn't pay attention to detail). i don't really know. the fact that he has 7 houses shouldn't matter a lick to anyone.
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does he pay his mortgage. did he get it legally. did he pay a fair market value. does his wife employ hundreds of hard working americans to pay for most of this.
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does he pay his mortgage. did he get it legally. did he pay a fair market value. does his wife employ hundreds of hard working americans to pay for most of this.
Was their fortune built with shady deals and mob influence?

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does he pay his mortgage. did he get it legally. did he pay a fair market value. does his wife employ hundreds of hard working americans to pay for most of this.
does he pay his taxes on them? cough /charlie rangel/ cough
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Was their fortune built with shady deals and mob influence?

Haunted by Spirits - News - Phoenix New Timespage 1 - Phoenix New Times

For a moment there I thought you might have been talking about Joe Kennedy.....
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Was their fortune built with shady deals and mob influence?

Haunted by Spirits - News - Phoenix New Timespage 1 - Phoenix New Times
will you do me a favor, can i have a one page summary. or hell break it down in 100 words for me. i dont really plan on reading an 11 page article.
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will you do me a favor, can i have a one page summary. or hell break it down in 100 words for me. i dont really plan on reading an 11 page article.
"supposedly" the booze industry used to have a heavy mob influence back in the first half of the 1900's.
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will you do me a favor, can i have a one page summary. or hell break it down in 100 words for me. i dont really plan on reading an 11 page article.
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A federal jury in U.S. District Court of Arizona in March 1948 convicted James Hensley on seven counts of filing false liquor records in addition to the conspiracy charge. Eugene was convicted on 23 counts of filing false statements and the conspiracy count. Eugene was sentenced to one year in prison, and James to six months. Neither brother testified during the trial, relying instead on their lawyers, who included Louis B. Whitney, a prominent attorney who served as mayor of Phoenix from 1923 through 1925.

After a two-week stint in the Maricopa County jail, the men were released on bond on May 17, 1948, pending an appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit. The appeals court affirmed the conviction on February 8, 1949.

Two weeks later, a judge sentenced Eugene to one year in a federal prison camp near Tucson, but suspended James' sentence, placing him on probation instead. Both men were fined $2,000. United Sales and United Distributors were also convicted and fined $2,000.
The criminal convictions had little immediate impact on the brothers' fortunes.

James Hensley profited handsomely from his association with liquor magnate Kemper Marley, a man police suspect ordered the 1976 murder of Arizona Republic reporter Don Bolles, who had written about Marley's business and political dealings. The man convicted of placing a bomb beneath Bolles' car testified that Marley also wanted former Arizona governor and then-attorney general Bruce Babbitt murdered because Babbitt had filed an antitrust lawsuit against the liquor industry in 1975. (Marley, who died in 1990, was never charged in the Bolles case. Babbitt is now U.S. Secretary of the Interior.)

By 1955, James Hensley had launched a Budweiser distributorship in Phoenix, a franchise reportedly bestowed upon him by Marley, who was never indicted in the 1948 federal liquor-law-violation case -- or a subsequent one -- despite his controlling financial role in the liquor distribution businesses.

James Hensley's conviction didn't deter the State of Arizona from granting him a wholesale liquor license in the mid-1950s. The Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control turned a blind eye to repeated liquor-law violations at the company. State liquor regulators did nothing when James Hensley failed to disclose his federal felony conviction on a sworn 1988 disclosure statement to the department and the City of Phoenix.

Today, Phoenix-based Hensley & Company is the nation's fifth-largest beer wholesaler -- a privately held business that 80-year-old James Hensley still controls. He built the Budweiser distributorship into at least a $200 million-a-year business, with annual sales of more than 20 million cases of beer.
James Hensley owns nearly all of the voting stock, and most of the rest of the closely held securities are in trusts for his grandchildren or owned by his daughter, 45-year-old Cindy Hensley McCain -- wife of U.S. Senator and presidential hopeful John McCain.
I should say, I don't really give a [censored] if any of this is true. The whole "guilt by association" stuff is nonsense.
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