Official: Rudy Giuliani '08 Presidential Bid

[Buckeye86]

Originally Posted by Thump

Every candidate has major holes.

But social issues are what Republicans beat people over the head with, so Giuliani's hole is right where most Republican candidates are strongest (or at least strongest to their base). When the other Republican candidates drag him through the mud in the primaries I doubt he makes it to the other side with much support.

[Thump]

Originally Posted by Buckeye86

But social issues are what Republicans beat people over the head with, so Giuliani's hole is right where most Republican candidates are strongest (or at least strongest to their base). When the other Republican candidates drag him through the mud in the primaries I doubt he makes it to the other side with much support.

I just don't get how he's so far ahead in the early polling.

Are Republicans willing to overlook his stance on social issues b/c of 9/11?

I think as the elction gets closer, you'll see his numbers come WAY down.

This is going to be a knockout, dragout fight to the end and I have no idea who the front runner is despite the early polling #'s.

[Buckeye86]

Originally Posted by Thump

I just don't get how he's so far ahead in the early polling.

Are Republicans willing to overlook his stance on social issues b/c of 9/11?

I think as the elction gets closer, you'll see his numbers come WAY down.

This is going to be a knockout, dragout fight to the end and I have no idea who the front runner is despite the early polling #'s.

I agree.

[Taosman]

I think once things get more serious on the Republican side, Rudy will make an easy target. He has too much baggage. There are better looking Republican candidates out there.
Maybe he would be a good Vice-presidential candidate?

[Buckeye86]

Giuliani has been married three times, McCain will be 72, and Romney is Mormon.

[buckeyegrad]

Poll numbers are pretty much irrelevant at this point in time. For instance, I heard the other day that Bill Clinton's numbers in February 1991 were in the single digits.

[buckeyegrad]

Originally Posted by Taosman

OK! So. we can throw Hillary and Rudy under the same bus!
But, really, Hillary isn't going into churches in the south to deceive
the poor Evangelicals about who he is! And take their money.
Hmmmmm! That sounds like a classic definition of "carpetbagger".

Um, you obviously don't understand the term. Carpetbagging has to do with moving into a new region for the direct purpose of political/personal gain. For instance, Hillary being a native of Illinois and associated with Arkansas moving to New York (where there was no association) for the sole reason of becoming a Senator.

Rudy is New York born and has always embraced that identity. Hence, not a carpetbagger.

While you raise an issue, it has nothing to do with being a carpetbagger.

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by buckeyegrad

Um, you obviously don't understand the term. Carpetbagging has to do with moving into a new region for the direct purpose of political/personal gain. For instance, Hillary being a native of Illinois and associated with Arkansas moving to New York (where there was no association) for the sole reason of becoming a Senator.

Rudy is New York born and has always embraced that identity. Hence, not a carpetbagger.

While you raise an issue, it has nothing to do with being a carpetbagger.

I think a lot of southerners view Rudy as a carpetbagger, I am using the term loosely here.
His going into southern churches strikes me as un-genuine. Out of his character.(3 marriages)(much speculation of affairs)(a genuine New Yorker)
I think he quickly disappears from the presidential race.

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by Taosman

I think a lot of southerners view Rudy as a carpetbagger, I am using the term loosely here.
His going into southern churches strikes me as un-genuine. Out of his character.(3 marriages)(much speculation of affairs)(a genuine New Yorker)
I think he quickly disappears from the presidential race.

No one knows who will and wont disappear. If you look back at all races, so much changes between now and a little over a year from now, that no one has any idea who will recieve the bid's.

[Taosman]

"Um, you obviously don't understand the term."
Um, I DID print up the "classic" definition of the term!
And, having spent a lot of time in Florida, I know that southerners use it frequently to describe people just like Rudy and Hillary!

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by bigballin2987

No one knows who will and wont disappear. If you look back at all races, so much changes between now and a little over a year from now, that no one has any idea who will recieve the bid's.

So, what do you think will happen with Rudy G.?

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by Taosman

So, what do you think will happen with Rudy G.?

I personally understand why he is the frontrunner as of now. He has shown he can handle disasters, which is very unlike any presidential nominee that has not already served as president. He is appealing to many people because he is not as conservative on social issues, and many think that is what the Republicans may need to get elected in 08'. Also, he is on record saying he would appoint judges like Alito and Roberts which caters to the Republican side. I personally will not vote for him, but it is understandable as of now why he is the frontrunner. Republicans very much dislike McCain, and Romney is yet to really put himself out there. I do not think Giuliani wins the primary either.

[Thump]

Originally Posted by bigballin2987

I personally understand why he is the frontrunner as of now. He has shown he can handle disasters, which is very unlike any presidential nominee that has not already served as president. He is appealing to many people because he is not as conservative on social issues, and many think that is what the Republicans may need to get elected in 08'. Also, he is on record saying he would appoint judges like Alito and Roberts which caters to the Republican side. I personally will not vote for him, but it is understandable as of now why he is the frontrunner. Republicans very much dislike McCain, and Romney is yet to really put himself out there. I do not think Giuliani wins the primary either.

There's actually a lot of Republicans out there like myself who are more towards the middle on social issues but staunch fiscal conservatives.

With that said, I just don't know if Giuliani would be a good candidate.

If he makes it out of the primaries and gets the nomination, I'd have no problem voting for him but Mitt's still my man.

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by Thump

There's actually a lot of Republicans out there like myself who are more towards the middle on social issues but staunch fiscal conservatives.

With that said, I just don't know if Giuliani would be a good candidate.

If he makes it out of the primaries and gets the nomination, I'd have no problem voting for him but Mitt's still my man.

I would def. vote for him for President, but never for the bid. My man is Newt, and it remains to be seen if he will enter. Perhaps around August or September if he does.

[Thump]

Originally Posted by bigballin2987

Perhaps around August or September if he does.

Could be too late by then.