Official: Rudy Giuliani '08 Presidential Bid

[redskinbucksfan]

Well, Taos seems to hate Rudy more than Romney, so Rudy might get my vote after all.

[buckeyegrad]

Originally Posted by Taosman

"Um, you obviously don't understand the term."
Um, I DID print up the "classic" definition of the term!
And, having spent a lot of time in Florida, I know that southerners use it frequently to describe people just like Rudy and Hillary!

Then those people don't understand the term either-just another indication of the sad state of history education in the United States. And, your definition proves my point, not yours. The key to understanding the term is knowing what an actual carpetbag is, which tells us that moving into a region (and living out of one's carpetbag) for political gain is the definition of the term.

What Rudy is doing is pandering. What Hillary is doing right now is pandering. What Hillary did to get to the Senate was carpetbagging.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by buckeyegrad

Then those people don't understand the term either-just another indication of the sad state of history education in the United States. And, your definition proves my point, not yours. The key to understanding the term is knowing what an actual carpetbag is, which tells us that moving into a region (and living out of one's carpetbag) for political gain is the definition of the term.

What Rudy is doing is pandering. What Hillary is doing right now is pandering. What Hillary did to get to the Senate was carpetbagging.

Oh no, don't bring up all that factual stuff in response to Taos!!!

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by Taosman

"Um, you obviously don't understand the term."
Um, I DID print up the "classic" definition of the term!
And, having spent a lot of time in Florida, I know that southerners use it frequently to describe people just like Rudy and Hillary!

Careful, he's playing the cool friends across the country card again

Seriously, if that's the term they're using, they're wrong.

[Flocka]

Southerners don't think thats what a carpetbagger means. It's ok Taos, you could just say you were wrong. Then again, if you just say what your friends say to you, it would explain a lot...

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by bigballin2987

Southerners don't think thats what a carpetbagger means. It's ok Taos, you could just say you were wrong. Then again, if you just say what your friends say to you, it would explain a lot...

So, enlighten me?

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by Thump

Could be too late by then.

Or late enough. A lot of times the front runners just beat each other up and make way for one of the candidates who wasn't originally in the top 2 or 3.

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by Bucklion

Careful, he's playing the cool friends across the country card again

Seriously, if that's the term they're using, they're wrong.

We have a difference of opinion on this usage. Big deal!

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by Taosman

So, enlighten me?

Originally Posted by Taosman

Definitions of carpetbagger on the Web:

• the derogatory term for Northerners who came to the South after the Civil War. Some came to do good. Others came to take advantage of the situation after the war. Some used the votes of black voters to get themselves elected, and figured out crooked ways to profit from holding public office. Carpetbaggers and Southern blacks were usually Republicans, and held considerable power in the Southern states in the Reconstruction era.

If you can't enlighten yourself, what makes you think I can enlighten you?

[Taosman]

Why are we even spending time on what a southerner thinks/calls Rudy/Hillary?
It just semantics again.

[Flocka]

Originally Posted by Taosman

Why are we even spending time on what a southerner thinks/calls Rudy/Hillary?
It just semantics again.

Semantics or complete misuse of the word?
OK, I'm done.

[Taosman]

Here is a thought on Rudy G.
from LifeNews.com
Some GOP Voters Wrongly Think Rudy Giuliani Is ...

Pro-Life on Abortion

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
February 16, 2007

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Rudy Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, enjoys substantial leads in both national polls of Republicans and surveys of likely GOP voters in Iowa and New Hampshire. However, a new poll from Fox News finds a substantial number of Republicans don't know that he backs legalized abortion.
Though no pro-abortion Republican has been nominated for president since Gerald Ford in 1976, Giuliani is playing well to GOP voters because of his handling of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

That may be all many voters know about the former mayor.

A new Fox News poll released yesterday finds that only 42 percent of GOP voters correctly identified Giuliani as pro-abortion. Some 21 percent say he's pro-life and another 36 percent don't know where he stands.

Giuliani's high poll numbers will likely drop once more voters find out he supports abortion.

That's because the poll showed 46 percent of GOP voters are less likely to support a pro-abortion candidate -- with 36% a lot less likely and 10 percent somewhat less likely. Only 22 percent are more likely to support an abortion advocate.

That means nearly half of the people who will make the decision at the ballot box in early 2008 as to who will represent the Republican Party in the next election will be less inclined to back Giuliani and about 60 percent of GOP voters have yet to find out that he supports abortion.
http://chooselife.blogster.com/gop_v...gly_think.html

[Taosman]

"Then those people don't understand the term either-just another indication of the sad state of history education in the United States."
Don't ever accuse me of being arrogant!

Really, down south they have their own vocabulary. And anyone from north of the Mason-Dixon is still a "Damn Yankee" in many parts.
I guess they've never been to Oxford! Maybe Oxford, Mississippi!

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by redskinbucksfan

Well, Taos seems to hate Rudy more than Romney, so Rudy might get my vote after all.

I actually don't "hate" Rudy at all! I lived in Connecticut for 25 years so I'm very well acquainted with Rudy!
I am just pointing out his obvious liabilities. He's quite the "salesman".
To me he is about equal to Hillary. But, Hillary has more financial backing.
That's why I bunched the two together, so to speak.
Oh! And I don't "hate" Romney, either!

Now, ask me who I would love to see get the nod by the Dems.

[daddyphatsacs]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Right now he's a Republican who could get my vote

While I doubt that I'd vote for him, I'd definitely rather have him than another George Bush type Republican, if they won in 2008.