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Old 08-16-2004, 11:09 AM
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No Opposition Allowed

I'm surprised this isn't being discussed on this board. Apparently, Bush doesn't want any opposition at his rallies, which is denying someone's right to hear the president. Are we not living in a democracy? You can't have free speech if you are not permitted to speak in critical places at critical times. Certainly there must be limits to this freedom, but the opportunity for citizens to listen to their president when he delivers a public address seems a freedom that can't be denied without redefining what democracy is (or simply eschewing it altogether). He must be afraid that his "Ask Mr. Bushie" segments might get ugly.

Hecklers Banned from Bush Rallies

There was a full-throated roar of support for President Bush at a New Mexico rally -- adoring crowds and a beaming candidate -- the stuff great political theater is made of -- and it's no accident, reports CBS New White House Correspondent Bill Plante.

Said a rally organizer, "I wanna hear lots of cheering in there for the president!"

The event tickets went to busloads of pre-screened party faithful -- who poured in hours in advance -- to be greeted and organized by Bush campaign staffers.

"We don't want anybody with a dry throat. We want you yelling for the president!" they were told.

The art of TV-friendly political stagecraft reaches new levels in this campaign. At "Ask President Bush" events, even the president makes no bones about the fact that he's speaking to invited guests.

"Okay, I've asked some citizens to come and help me make my points," he said.

As relaxed and affable as a talk show host, the president answers friendly questions -- which are often not questions at all.

"Mr. President, I don't have a question. I've got three thank-yous," said one supporter.

He also helps his handpicked guests to make a point.

"I don't know, Linda, if you're in a position to say this. But most people who go back to school with the new jobs end up making more money."

Linda: "Absolutely."

Mr. Bush: "Yeah, she was. That's good."

This tight control means that hecklers like those who greeted Kerry and Edwards in Missouri are almost never seen at Bush events.

And that doesn't seem to bother the president's supporters.

"I think it was more of a rally to get the supporters rallied up, so I think it served its purpose," said a guest.

But what about inviting some voters who haven't yet made up their minds?

"You mean the people who don't support Bush? They're only gonna sit and chat and you won't get to hear anything," said a backer.

It's all about getting out the message without any distractions, and making sure that there's no public argument to spoil the party.

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Old 08-16-2004, 11:13 AM
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What reason do they have to hear him speak if they aren't going to vote for him anyway? Anything he says won't change their opinions. If I were Kerry I would do the same thing.
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Personally I don't like to see any candidate interrupted by chanting morons when they're giving an important speech. I'd rather hear what they have to say. And the truth is that both candidates bus in, invite, whatever, a whole lot of supporters to their speeches. I guess I don't see the big deal in the sense that this is always the way it works. Kerry just got unlucky by getting some dude who started yelling at him.
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Heck I thought this was a thread about the Democrats efforts to keep Ralph Nader off the Presidential Ballots

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“The name of the party is the Democratic Party, not the Anti-Democratic Party,”

A Democratic legal crusade to obstruct Nader’s efforts to get on the ballot “feeds the Greens’ argument that this system is a duopoly” run by the two major parties in their self-interest, Sifry added.

“The Democrats ought to make a positive case for why people should be voting for them, not using strong-arm tactics,” he said. Sifry sees Democratic blocking of Nader as “part of an ongoing self-destructive dynamic between the Greens and the Democrats.”
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Old 08-16-2004, 11:17 AM
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Opposition is a huge part of politics. If you can't take it then you shouldn't be running. Kerry had some hecklers yelling "four more years" into megaphones, which prompted his wife to yell "four more years of hell"!

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I don't agree with keeping Nader off the ballot. He should be on the ballot. He has that right.
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Bush should hire Al Franken to tackle the hecklers.
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