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Old 10-18-2007, 01:33 PM
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I guess you don't consider Iraqis getting shot and blown up every single day
the "wild west"? Let alone the on average 2 Americans dying every day.
Truth be told it was never as bad as Iraq in the American "wild west"!
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I guess you don't consider Iraqis getting shot and blown up every single day
the "wild west"? Let alone the on average 2 Americans dying every day.
Truth be told it was never as bad as Iraq in the American "wild west"!
during the indian wars in 1789, which is very much part of the "wild west" days, there were 6,125 killed in that year alone as a result of combat. thats not counting unrelated murders and accidental deaths. not to mention the fact that proportional populations vrs. area was significantly different. so that works out to being roughly 16.7 dead americans per day. not counting indian's who imo were very much american's as well.

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Wow! Nice research, martian!
100 people die every single day in Iraq! I'll do the math for you , martian.
100x365=36500 Iraqis. Plus 2 Americans per day 365x2=730
That's 37,230 per average year in Iraq.
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my number is american servicemen only. 16.7 > 2.

if you really want i can go back and look up inidian casualties. but i would imagine with the mass murdering being done at the time the number should be pretty high. not to mention random murders and accidental deaths. oh and we could also do a comparison of violent deaths per acre between the two, that would probably be fun too.
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I have to completey disagree. If the mercs signed on to do the job, they should be held accountable. They are heavily armed and supposedly well trained. Better trained the most the troops.
Disagree all you want, but I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. the UCMJ is meant for military members, not civilians and not contractors.

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And Iraq is to change the Bremer law shortly.............
That's good, it's a stupid decree, but it still won't be retroactive nor should it be.

Although anyone who breaks the updated law will be deported at worst.
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WASHINGTON - The State Department promised Blackwater USA bodyguards immunity from prosecution in its investigation of last month's deadly shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians, The Associated Press has learned.

The immunity deal has delayed a criminal inquiry into the Sept. 16 killings and could undermine any effort to prosecute security contractors for their role in the incident that has infuriated the Iraqi government.

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Disagree all you want, but I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. the UCMJ is meant for military members, not civilians and not contractors.

That's good, it's a stupid decree, but it still won't be retroactive nor should it be.

Although anyone who breaks the updated law will be deported at worst.
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Worth revisiting this issue in light of a recent development:


U.S. Charges Contractor at Iraq Post in Stabbing

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The American military has charged a contractor with assault in a case that may emerge as a major test of the military?s legal jurisdiction over civilians who accompany the armed forces into the field, military officials and legal experts said Friday.
The charge was made under expanded authority that the United States Congress provided the military to crack down on contractor abuses. It is the first time since 1968 that a contractor has been charged under military law.
While the exact scope of the new authority has yet to be tested in court, experts said there might be some circumstances in which it could be interpreted to apply to security contractors, like those supplied by Blackwater.
As for Blackwater itself - 1-year contract renewal ...

which could be canceled at any time.
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Yep....but the bill itself didn't outline the changes, the SecDef had too and that didn't happen until March 10th

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Just a CYA for myself

That's pretty standard for contracts though. They can be canceled at any time if there is either gross negligence or for non-performance and that isn't just something attached to Blackwater.
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When does a HumVee become a Ho-Vee?

Posting here on the basis that we don't need another thread about another Defence contractor showing bad judgement in Iraq.

(Guess that makes this the equivalent of the Police/Legal Blotter thread for contractors in Iraq).

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When does a HumVee become a Ho-Vee?

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Over at Muckraked, we get news that "a panel of whistleblowers" testifying before a Senate committee yesterday dropped a dime on their employer, military contractor DynCorp (among others). The most explosive part of the testimony involved a contract manager, a misappropriated armored car, and prostitutes:
A contractor died when a DynCorp manager used an employee's armored car to transport prostitutes, according to Barry Halley, a Worldwide Network Services employee working under a DynCorp subcontract.
"DynCorp's site manager was involved in bringing prostitutes into hotels operated by DynCorp. A co-worker unrelated to the ring was killed when he was traveling in an unsecure car and shot performing a high-risk mission. I believe that my co-worker could have survived if he had been riding in an armored car. At the time, the armored car that he would otherwise have been riding in was being used by the contractor's manager to transport prostitutes from Kuwait to Baghdad."
As the article makes clear, this isn't the first time DynCorp has had clouds hanging over itself - once before in Bosnia, also trading in flesh, very, very young flesh.


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... the more fitting question is whether or not DynCorp should have been awarded a contract in Iraq in the first place. Because, you see, this is not the first time DynCorp employees have been implicated in running prostitution rings abroad. Let's flash back to August of 2002, and meet the DynCorp whistleblowers of yesteryear:
Two former employees of DynCorp, the government contracting powerhouse, have won legal victories after charging that the $2 billion-a-year firm fired them when they complained that co-workers were involved in a Bosnia sex-slave trade...
Because of a combination of international treaties, jurisdictional loopholes and bureaucratic confusion, employees of private military companies such as DynCorp can escape prosecution for crimes they commit overseas. Most common crimes committed outside the United States are beyond the jurisdiction of U.S. courts, and the burgeoning local law enforcement systems in war-torn regions such as Bosnia are often insufficient or unwilling to police U.S. contractors.
Salon covered that story and its aftermath extensively throughout 2002. Among the lowlights are the predilection among DynCorp contractors for women between the ages of 12 and 15 ("My girl's not a day over 12," one brags), the ties to the Serbian mafia, and...oh yeah! The whole misprision of felony thing.
And, not covered in the article - some of the other government related work performed by DynCorp should have been sufficient to boot them from any list. Remember a plane crash in Florida, ValuJet Flight 592? Improper stowage of dangerous chemicals, cost-cutting and shoddy practices the cause? Yep, that was a DynCorp subsidiary, DynAir, that was sold through a few months before that crash.

How are these guys still in business?
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On March 10,2008, Chairman Waxman wrote to the Small Business Administration (SBA) requesting that the agency investigate whether Blackwater Worldwide, a company that has received more than a billion dollars in government contracts since the start of the war in Iraq, improperly obtained contracts intended for small businesses.! As detailed in a memorandum attached to that letter, it appeared that Blackwater incorrectly categorized many of its security personnel as "independent contractors" rather than "employees" in order to qualify for small business set asides.

In response to Chairman Waxman's request, on March 14,2008, Small Business

Administrator Steven Preston requested that the SBA Inspector General investigate the matter. Today the SBA IG released a report concluding that Blackwater may have misrepresented its small business status in order to obtain 39 contracts worth more than $100 million.

The Associated Press: Audit questions millions in Blackwater contracts

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By MIKE BAKER - Jul 28, 2008

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - Private security contractor Blackwater Worldwide and its affiliates may have misrepresented their size to win more than $100 million in government contracts set aside for small businesses, federal auditors said Monday.

A report by the Small Business Administration's Office of Inspector General questioned the agency's decision to approve Blackwater as a small business even though there were signs the company could be much larger than executives claimed.

In fiscal 2005 through 2007, Blackwater and affiliates won 32 small business contracts worth more than $2.1 million even though the work was restricted to companies with revenue of $6.5 million or less, according to the audit. One contract had a revenue ceiling of $750,000. Meanwhile, Blackwater's airline affiliate Presidential Airways won more than $107 million in contracts set aside for companies with revenues of less than $25.5 million or fewer than 1,500 employees...
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Auditors Question Blackwater Contracts

By ELIZABETH OLSON
WASHINGTON - Blackwater Worldwide, the contractor whose provision of private security in Iraq has been under scrutiny, and its affiliated companies may have improperly obtained more than $100 million in contracts meant for small businesses, according to federal auditors.

A report by the Small Business Administration's inspector general, issued in July, found that Blackwater and its affiliates, including Presidential Airways, won 39 contracts in the fiscal years 2005, 2006 and 2007 despite indications that the companies employed more than the number specified by the federal government. In some cases, the report said, the companies also had higher revenues than allowed for a small business.

Blackwater is a major provider of security for American diplomats in Iraq and was the subject of a Congressional hearing after a Blackwater shooting in Baghdad last September left 17 Iraqis dead.

Blackwater and Presidential Airways, both based in Moyock, N.C., and owned by EP Investments, of McLean, Va., won 31 contracts set aside for companies with revenues of $6.5 million or less, and one additional contract for a company with no more than $750,000 in annual revenues. Those contracts, in all, were valued at $2.1 million.

In addition, Presidential Airways, which carries both passengers and cargo, won some $107 million in contracts reserved for companies whose revenues were no more than $25.5 million or had fewer than 1,500 employees...
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Posting here on the basis that we don't need another thread about another Defence contractor showing bad judgement in Iraq.

(Guess that makes this the equivalent of the Police/Legal Blotter thread for contractors in Iraq).

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A little stale - but an update on the use of contractors in Iraq (I don't have much to do today).

Report finds Iraq contracts have cost US billions - International Herald Tribune

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WASHINGTON: Military contracts in the Iraq theater have cost taxpayers at least $85 billion, and when it comes to providing security, they might not be any cheaper than using military personnel, according to a review released Tuesday.

Release of the report by the Congressional Budget Office reflects increased scrutiny in the last year of contractors, some of which have been investigated in connection to the shooting deaths of Iraqis and in the accidental deaths of U.S. troops by electrocution.

The United States has relied more heavily on contractors in Iraq than in any other war to provide services ranging from food service to guarding diplomats. About 20 percent of money spent for operations in Iraq has gone to contractors, the report said.

Currently, there are at least 190,000 contractors in Iraq and neighboring countries, a ratio of about one contractor per U.S. service member, the report says.

The study did not include monetary figures for 2008, so the total paid to contractors for work in the Iraq theater since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 probably is much higher. If spending for contractors continues at about the same rate, by the end of the year, an estimated $100 billion will have been paid to military contractors for operations in Iraq...
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U.S. Overpaid Blackwater According to Government Audit - ABC News
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The U.S. government overpaid tens of millions of dollars to the scandal-ridden security contractor once known as Blackwater, according to a new government audit.

The firm, now known as "Xe," understaffed its security teams assigned to protect the U.S. ambassador in Iraq and other U.S. officials in country. In total, the State Department could have dinged the company $55 million for work it didn't properly perform, auditors concluded.

Those fees should have been assessed for Blackwater's failure to meet staffing requirements laid out in its contract, the auditors said in their report. In addition, Blackwater also overcharged over $125,000 for travel, by booking tickets "in excess of coach fare."

In total, the firm has billed more than $1 billion in work to the State Department, much of it through contracts awarded without competition.

In a written statement, Xe spokeswoman Anne Tyrell disagreed with the auditor's conclusions. "The government contracting officer determined that Blackwater was compliant with the terms and conditions of the contract at the time for which they were reviewing and therefore did not apply any deductions or penalties," she said. "Blackwater only billed for services provided."
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