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04-22-2008, 09:39 PM
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Hillary 57 - 43
thanks to somehow stacking up all the states the Dems have to have, Hillary has to be the candidate, I don't care what the actual delegate numbers are. There's no way you can win the nomination by taking New Hampshire and two dozen red states that aren't going to go Demo in November. That's not rocket science.
But there's no way I'm going to vote for Hillary. Let the GOP run amuck for another 4 years. things will finally get so screwed up that the Dems will either morph into a real party or ther'll be blood in the streets.
With this line up even Herbert Hoover could win.
chalk this one voter up in the Ralph Nader column.
Color me [censored]ed,
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04-22-2008, 11:04 PM
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Didn't expect Horseshoes and Hand Grenades to go political. 
She's not getting my vote either, though. |
04-23-2008, 01:07 AM
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People fear what they don't understand
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That's ok. She'll get my vote which is worth 2.  I said all along I don't care which dem gets the nomination they need to pick each other to be a solid ticket for the party. Ralph Nader? WTF? |
04-23-2008, 10:48 PM
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I think the Ralph Nader effect is telling and present here. It's maybe an indication that the Democratic party needs to split in two... perhaps a "Progressive" and a "Centrist" camp.
For the last I-don't-know-how-many elections, bringing these two sides together AND winning votes in general elections has been a challenge.
Granted, splitting the party in two won't bring success in Presidential elections, but at least each camp can stay true its constituents.
The Republicans, for whatever reason (bull-headedness?) don't seem to suffer from this bi-polar disorder.
Just sayin'...
EDIT: I'm putting on my flame suit...
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04-23-2008, 10:55 PM
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SCREW BLUE!
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Originally Posted by shetuck
I think the Ralph Nader effect is telling and present here. It's maybe an indication that the Democratic party needs to split in two... perhaps a "Progressive" and a "Centrist" camp.
For the last I-don't-know-how-many elections, bringing these two sides together AND winning votes in general elections has been a challenge.
Granted, splitting the party in two won't bring success in Presidential elections, but at least each camp can stay true its constituents.
The Republicans, for whatever reason (bull-headedness?) don't seem to suffer from this bi-polar disorder.
Just sayin'...
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No, they have it. There is a huge gap between the interests of big business/investor class and cultural conservatives. The dems just haven't found a way to drive a wedge between those groups.
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04-23-2008, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MuckFich06
No, they have it. There is a huge gap between the interests of big business/investor class and cultural conservatives. The dems just haven't found a way to drive a wedge between those groups.
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The "cultural conservatives" and "big business/investor class" don't step on each other's policy toes. They live in two almost completely different worlds in terms of their priorities and interests. So I'm not sure there's a fault-line there into which to drive a wedge.
Plus, the Dems appear to spend so much time during these elections gazing at their own navels that even if the fault line WAS there, they wouldn't be able to effectively exploit it.
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04-23-2008, 11:04 PM
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SCREW BLUE!
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The "cultural conservatives" and "big business/investor class" don't step on each other's policy toes. They live in two almost completely different worlds in terms of their priorities and interests. So I'm not sure there's a fault-line there into which to drive a wedge.
Plus, the Dems appear to spend so much time during these elections gazing at their own navels that even if the fault line WAS there, they wouldn't be able to effectively exploit it.
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I absolutely agree, I almost added something similar to my statement. There are so many factions in the "big tent" Democratic party, it is hard to hold them all together. Obama has a better chance at doing that. Hillary is burning bridges left and right (African-Americans, MoveOn.org, young voters)
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