F-22 Raptor, What the hell are we doing? - BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums
BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums

Go Back   BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums > Varied Interest > Open Discussion (Work-safe) > Political Conversation and Debate
F-22 Raptor, What the hell are we doing? F-22 Raptor, What the hell are we doing?
Mark Forums Read
Home Forums Register BP StoreDonateDonor Lists

Political Conversation and Debate This forum is not a temporary one. It will exist up to, and after the presidential elections. Some people want to talk or even argue politics, others don't. Let's see if we can apply some reason and understanding to the debate.

Reply
Page 1 of 13 1 2311 Last »
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 09:19 AM
cincibuck's Avatar
Like a deer in the headlights... then and now.
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 7,211
vCash: 2829000
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
F-22 Raptor, What the hell are we doing?
At a time when the Soviet Union and China have nothing in the air to challenge the F-15, let alone the F-22, when the war we are fighting is centered on the ground and on a people-to-people basis, when the enemy has no air assets, when CENTCOM is screaming for more drones, when soldiers and marines are calling for more "close in, low and slow," TAC air, when the A-10 fleet is aging and shunted off to the AF Reserve, when we are aware that this plane is limited by what a human body-- even one in a g-suit-- can stand, we get the Raptor.

And as I discovered during a tour of the Air Force Museum restoration hanger, this aircraft was outperformed in the trials leading up to the awarding of the contract!

What are we thinking?
__________________
<a href=http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1365&dateline=1182449019 target=_blank>http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/i...ine=1182449019</a>"When our Big Ten brothers are playing Notre Dame, we're always rooting for them," Tressel said. "I'm rooting for our Big Ten partners. I want our strength of conference to be as good as it can be." Jim Tressel
Reply With Quote

  #ADS  
AdMonkey AdMonkey is online
Circuit advertisement
  
Join Date: Always
Location: Advertising world
Age: 2010
Posts: Many
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 09:26 AM
AKAK's Avatar
Schwarze Kapelle
Bookmaker
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lost
Posts: 15,240
vCash: 6502680
AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
The Soviets have nothing to Challenge the F-15?

Yeah, That's just what they want you to think.
__________________
You're a daisy if you do.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 10:04 AM
t_BuckeyeScott's Avatar
Hall of Fame
  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,138
vCash: 10000
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
The soviets definitely have a jet to challenge the F 22: the new MIG 35. It's a serious plane. I was trying to find the website I was on months ago comparing the two, but I failed. The F22 and the MiG 35 definitely have slightly different purposes. The F22 would probably still win in an outright dog fight. But there are longer range stuff that the MiG 35 can do that the Raptor can't. Also the MiG 35 could definitely take the 15s 16s.

I tend to agree that the F22 is the better overall plane, but there were Americans on that site I found that thought the MiG 35 was better. I I was in the Air Force and I questioned a lot of things that went on, the Raptor was not one of them.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 10:09 AM
t_BuckeyeScott's Avatar
Hall of Fame
  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,138
vCash: 10000
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
Quote:
Originally Posted by cincibuck View Post

And as I discovered during a tour of the Air Force Museum restoration hanger, this aircraft was outperformed in the trials leading up to the awarding of the contract!

What are we thinking?
Out performed by what? I've heard that in exercises the Raptor took down every 15 and 16 in a dogfight scenario when the ratio was something like 60:4 F15/16 to F22. No Raptors were taken down. It doesn't seem to be close.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 10:23 AM
AKAK's Avatar
Schwarze Kapelle
Bookmaker
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lost
Posts: 15,240
vCash: 6502680
AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.AKAK is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by t_BuckeyeScott View Post
The soviets definitely have a jet to challenge the F 22: the new MIG 35. It's a serious plane. I was trying to find the website I was on months ago comparing the two, but I failed. The F22 and the MiG 35 definitely have slightly different purposes. The F22 would probably still win in an outright dog fight. But there are longer range stuff that the MiG 35 can do that the Raptor can't. Also the MiG 35 could definitely take the 15s 16s.

I tend to agree that the F22 is the better overall plane, but there were Americans on that site I found that thought the MiG 35 was better. I I was in the Air Force and I questioned a lot of things that went on, the Raptor was not one of them.
Damned Commies!

Quote:
Originally Posted by t_BuckeyeScott View Post
Out performed by what? I've heard that in exercises the Raptor took down every 15 and 16 in a dogfight scenario when the ratio was something like 60:4 F15/16 to F22. No Raptors were taken down. It doesn't seem to be close.
I'm assuming he meant the other entry(ies) for the contract.
__________________
You're a daisy if you do.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:03 AM
cincibuck's Avatar
Like a deer in the headlights... then and now.
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 7,211
vCash: 2829000
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK View Post
I'm assuming he meant the other entry(ies) for the contract.
Yep, the Northrup entry was faster, more agile and carried a bigger payload.

Experts quoted during the Soviet May Day parade stated that modern Russian equipment, to include the 35, is well behind our current equipment... across the board. Not hard to believe. the two wars in the desert and the recent bombing of Syrian nuke facility by Israel taught us a great deal about Russian equipment.

The military is in a real mess, (as is the economy, the politics... ) corruption is rampant, so is alcoholism, investigations into the beastly treatment of young conscripts and the failure to consistently pay the full time NCOs and officers, their equipment, never known for reliabilty in the first place, remains in the shop more often than a Jaguar sedan.

If it weren't for the huge gas and oil deposits the whole place would be ripe for a new revolution, up [Mark May] creek without means of propulsion.
__________________
<a href=http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1365&dateline=1182449019 target=_blank>http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/i...ine=1182449019</a>"When our Big Ten brothers are playing Notre Dame, we're always rooting for them," Tressel said. "I'm rooting for our Big Ten partners. I want our strength of conference to be as good as it can be." Jim Tressel
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:06 AM
shetuck's Avatar
We scored twenty...
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,964
vCash: 14503866
shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.shetuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK View Post
Damned Commies!

I'm assuming he meant the other entry(ies) for the contract.
Damned elitist commies always outperformin' us n' sh*t!

__________________
"good gooblie goo"
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:07 AM
t_BuckeyeScott's Avatar
Hall of Fame
  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,138
vCash: 10000
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
Quote:
Originally Posted by cincibuck
Yep, the Northrup entry was faster, more agile and carried a bigger payload.

Experts quoted during the Soviet May Day parade stated that modern Russian equipment, to include the 35, is well behind our current equipment... across the board. Not hard to believe. the two wars in the desert and the recent bombing of Syrian nuke facility by Israel taught us a great deal about Russian equipment.

The military is in a real mess, (as is the economy, the politics... ) corruption is rampant, so is alcoholism, investigations into the beastly treatment of young conscripts and the failure to consistently pay the full time NCOs and officers, their equipment, never known for reliabilty in the first place, remains in the shop more often than a Jaguar sedan.

If it weren't for the huge gas and oil deposits the whole place would be ripe for a new revolution, up [Mark May] creek without means of propulsion.
The biggest question about the other planes was the stealthiness. The Raptor's radar footprint can be indecipherable to that of a bird depending on the payload being carried.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:09 AM
Wingate1217's Avatar
Thanks Willie B. for the memories......
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 4,339
vCash: 10171939
Wingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'Shoe
Wingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'ShoeWingate1217 is a legend of The 'Shoe
Everything you wanted to know about the F-22......

F-22 Raptor - Military Aircraft

The F-22 program is developing the next-generation air superiority fighter for the Air Force to counter emerging worldwide threats. It is designed to penetrate enemy airspace and achieve a first-look, first-kill capability against multiple targets. The F-22 is characterized by a low-observable, highly maneuverable airframe; advanced integrated avionics; and aerodynamic performance allowing supersonic cruise without afterburner.
<B>
Stealth</B>: Greatly increases survivability and lethality by denying the enemy critical information required to successfully attack the F-22
Integrated Avionics: Allows F-22 pilots unprecedented awareness of enemy forces through the fusion of on- and off-board information
Supercruise: Enhances weapons effectiveness; allows rapid transit through the battlespace; reduces the enemy?s time to counter attack
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:11 AM
cincibuck's Avatar
Like a deer in the headlights... then and now.
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 7,211
vCash: 2829000
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
Quote:
Originally Posted by t_BuckeyeScott View Post
The biggest question about the other planes was the stealthiness. The Raptor's radar footprint can be indecipherable to that of a bird depending on the payload being carried.
The reason for the contract going to the Raptor was not performance based. It had to do with contracts the other company already had on its plate.

Think of it in the same way the SAW and the M-16 got into the Army inventory; chosen for the wrong damn reasons.
__________________
<a href=http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1365&dateline=1182449019 target=_blank>http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/i...ine=1182449019</a>"When our Big Ten brothers are playing Notre Dame, we're always rooting for them," Tressel said. "I'm rooting for our Big Ten partners. I want our strength of conference to be as good as it can be." Jim Tressel
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:16 AM
t_BuckeyeScott's Avatar
Hall of Fame
  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,138
vCash: 10000
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
Quote:
Originally Posted by cincibuck
The reason for the contract going to the Raptor was not performance based. It had to do with contracts the other company already had on its plate.

Think of it in the same way the SAW and the M-16 got into the Army inventory; chosen for the wrong damn reasons.
Don't necessarily disagree fully, but I don't think its as bad as you say. The Raptor is one bad-ass jet.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:37 AM
t_BuckeyeScott's Avatar
Hall of Fame
  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,138
vCash: 10000
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
t_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP postert_BuckeyeScott is a revered BP poster
Yes in general the 15s and 16s are good planes and better than most out there. But giving our military a decisive even dominant edge in the air is an important part of the military strategy. We had complete dominance of the air in Iraq which allowed the shock and awe to happen. The Iraqi air force never even got off the ground. The military wants to maintain that dominance.

I know there are many problems with the military, but let's not forget that it is the most dominant force on the planet. Probably only the Israelis have comparable technology ( if not better). I would have us maintain that edge to help save lives.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:54 AM
Apache's Avatar
Frank Kremblas wore #22
  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Canal Winchester, Ohio
Posts: 1,138
vCash: 10000
Apache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHAC
Apache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHACApache has an office at the WHAC
F-22
Equipment is one thing. Support-training-courageous pilots are another. Ill bet on the good ole USA.

Let us hope and pray that it never comes to actually needing these in a war with the old Warsaw pact countries or any commie stinking rat plane.
__________________
APACHE
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:56 AM
cincibuck's Avatar
Like a deer in the headlights... then and now.
  
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
BP Donor
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 7,211
vCash: 2829000
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.cincibuck is enlightened in the ways of the Buckeye.
It's not a case of if the Raptor is excellent... it is. But what do we need now? We need troops on the ground. We need an updated A-10, we need more drones, we need low and slow and the Air Force gives us the Raptor, a plane so expensive it will swallow the AF's budget whole. It's the same story on the Navy side. The Marine's harriers are well past their prime but the Navy is buying the sea version of the 22.
__________________
<a href=http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1365&dateline=1182449019 target=_blank>http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/i...ine=1182449019</a>"When our Big Ten brothers are playing Notre Dame, we're always rooting for them," Tressel said. "I'm rooting for our Big Ten partners. I want our strength of conference to be as good as it can be." Jim Tressel
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-2008, 12:38 PM
BrutusBobcat's Avatar
Icon and Entertainer
  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 2,465
vCash: 41732
BrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'Shoe
BrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'ShoeBrutusBobcat is a legend of The 'Shoe
Just hypothesizing, but we do have a few client/customer states out there flying F-15s. Maybe the F-22 was built to either A) remind them that we're still the top dog and can take their entire Air Force down in an afternoon, or B) have an upgrade path to sell to them in a few years once their F-15 fleet has aged.

Military equipment sales are both an integral part of our economy and our foreign policy.
__________________
-Mark
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 13 1 2311 Last »

Tags
no fool like an old fool

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:29 PM.

Contact Us - BuckeyePlanet - Ohio State Fan Community - Infractions & Points - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
BuckeyePlanet is NOT affiliated with the Ohio State University.
The opinions posted here DO NOT reflect the opinions of anyone associated with the Ohio State University,
the Ohio State University's Athletic Department, Ohio State fans in general, or BuckeyePlanet as a whole.
Part of the USA Today Sports Media Group.
Page generated in 0.17356 seconds with 10 queries