Official: None of the Above in 2008 thread

[Jake]

Originally Posted by MaxBuck

You sound like a W apologist. W is the worst POTUS we have had in my lifetime -- yes, worse even than Jimmy (the Naif) Carter. Both genuinely good men, both execrable chief executives.

Saying Congress has done a [censored]ty job makes me a W apologist? I didn't say anything on behalf of Bush, so resist the urge to project for me.

Bush's performance has left a lot to be desired, but he's had a lot of help from an incompetent Congress. Judging from the approval ratings of BOTH entities, it appears I'm not alone in that point of view.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Supreme court replacements. That is what 08 is about. If you want Scalia Brand, then McCain is for you. If you don't want ultra conservative Justices, then you vote for the Muslim fella.

I think the notion that McCain is "ultra conservative" would come as a surprise to conservatives. He's more conservative than Obama, but Barack's voting record is as liberal as they come, so it's relative.

To me, this issue is more important than any other, and carries with it far more "change" effects than any other issue that they may disagree on.

Unfortunately that's true. The SCOTUS has become too much of an issue for my liking as important matters end up becoming "law" there rather than in the legislature where they belong. These judges are accountable to no one, for anything.

Which is why I am a yella dog this time. Course, if the dems were sure to win a bunch of seats in the Senate and the House so that they can overturn a Presidential veto, then it might be good to have an elephant in the WH for balance...

Enough to overturn a veto isn't likely to produce balance, regardless of which party has the numbers.

I wish I knew in advance how that was going to shake out. With enough dems in congress, I'd vote McCain.

I'm rooting for gridlock.

God save us from "bipartisanship" which usually means it benefits elected officials at our expense. So called "Campaign Finance Reform" is a classic example, which does far more for imcumbents than it does for voters, and we can thank John McCain for pushing that one.

[buckeyegrad]

Jake,

Just curious, why not a third-party candidate for you? I know they have no chance at winning, but you seem interested in taking a political stance at this point, not your ideas necessarily "winning". So, is there a third-party candidate that you think would make a good president? If not, what exactly are you looking for? Was there anyone in the primaries that represented your political preferences well?

[MaxBuck]

Originally Posted by Jake

Saying Congress has done a [censored]ty job makes me a W apologist? I didn't say anything on behalf of Bush, so resist the urge to project for me.

Bush's performance has left a lot to be desired, but he's had a lot of help from an incompetent Congress. Judging from the approval ratings of BOTH entities, it appears I'm not alone in that point of view.

To the extent political failures over the past 8 years are placed at the feet of Congress rather than the Executive Branch, W is getting a free ride. I said you sounded like a Bush apologist; please read more carefully before you go off.

In all, you sound like someone who doesn't much care for either party, for the POTUS, for Congress, and probably for your City Council.

[BUCKYLE]

Originally Posted by MaxBuck

To the extent political failures over the past 8 years are placed at the feet of Congress rather than the Executive Branch, W is getting a free ride. I said you sounded like a Bush apologist; please read more carefully before you go off.

In all, you sound like someone who doesn't much care for either party, for the POTUS, for Congress, and probably for your City Council.

Don't get him started on the School Board!

[Jake]

Originally Posted by buckeyegrad

Jake,

Just curious, why not a third-party candidate for you? I know they have no chance at winning, but you seem interested in taking a political stance at this point, not your ideas necessarily "winning". So, is there a third-party candidate that you think would make a good president? If not, what exactly are you looking for? Was there anyone in the primaries that represented your political preferences well?

A third party is a waste of time. The 2 major parties have made it almost impossible for any other party to become viable - why in the hell are taxpayers paying for party conventions? Voting for someone who has no chance might make one feel better, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing. I'll end up voting for whoever I decide is the lesser of two evils.

I consider myself a Constitutional Libertarian. I disagree with conservatives and liberals because they both try to tell everyone else what to do, they just have different opinions on how we all should think and act. I don't care what you do so long as you don't infringe on someone else's liberty, or demand that someone else pay for it. I think the federal government should be what it was intended to be - small. Benjamin Franklin said it best when asked what kind of government we're going to have:

"A republic, for as long as you can keep it."

He knew that the federal government would try to grow and become stronger, despite the checks and balances in place at the time. What would I change?

We're the "United States of America" for a reason - it's about the States, not the feds...at least it was. The US Senate was appointed by the state legislatures for over 100 years. Their job was to keep an eye on the House, on behalf of the states. Once we passed the 17th amendment the federal government was free to get out of control. Instead of being part of the solution, Senators are now an even bigger problem than the House. We didn't have a federal income tax for over 100 years - WTF business is it of the federal government how much legal income you earned last year? We do NOT need the IRS to fund our government. There is no Constitutional provision for the federal government to own land, yet they now own about 50% of it west of the Mississippi, placing it off limits to the People. I could go on but I think you can see where I'm going.

We've become a socialist democracy, not much different than Europe. The two major parties are simply arguing over varying degrees of socialism and government control, so I really have little use for either of them. Our government looks as much like the Communist Manifesto as the Constitution. That's not rhetoric, it's easily provable.

I doubt I'll ever see a Presidential candidate that I actually like ever again. We have two generations now who know little of what I'm talking about because they've been living in the United Socialist States of America their entire lives. Trying to turn America back into what it was intended to be would be like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, at this point.

[Muck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Supreme court replacements. That is what 08 is about. If you want Scalia Brand, then McCain is for you. If you don't want ultra conservative Justices, then you vote for the Muslim fella.

For those who aren't keeping track:

Ultra conservative = anything to the right of Ruth Bader Ginsburg

[BuckeyeTillIDie]

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

how long till they sell bumper stickers that say "We're [censored]ed '08"

Not sure, but I'd buy one that said "We've been getting [censored]ed since 2000"

[Jake]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeTillIDie

Not sure, but I'd buy one that said "We've been getting [censored]ed since 1913"

FIFY.

[buckeyegrad]

Originally Posted by Jake

A third party is a waste of time. The 2 major parties have made it almost impossible for any other party to become viable - why in the hell are taxpayers paying for party conventions? Voting for someone who has no chance might make one feel better, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing. I'll end up voting for whoever I decide is the lesser of two evils.

I consider myself a Constitutional Libertarian. I disagree with conservatives and liberals because they both try to tell everyone else what to do, they just have different opinions on how we all should think and act. I don't care what you do so long as you don't infringe on someone else's liberty, or demand that someone else pay for it. I think the federal government should be what it was intended to be - small. Benjamin Franklin said it best when asked what kind of government we're going to have:

"A republic, for as long as you can keep it."

He knew that the federal government would try to grow and become stronger, despite the checks and balances in place at the time. What would I change?

We're the "United States of America" for a reason - it's about the States, not the feds...at least it was. The US Senate was appointed by the state legislatures for over 100 years. Their job was to keep an eye on the House, on behalf of the states. Once we passed the 17th amendment the federal government was free to get out of control. Instead of being part of the solution, Senators are now an even bigger problem than the House. We didn't have a federal income tax for over 100 years - WTF business is it of the federal government how much legal income you earned last year? We do NOT need the IRS to fund our government. There is no Constitutional provision for the federal government to own land, yet they now own about 50% of it west of the Mississippi, placing it off limits to the People. I could go on but I think you can see where I'm going.

We've become a socialist democracy, not much different than Europe. The two major parties are simply arguing over varying degrees of socialism and government control, so I really have little use for either of them. Our government looks as much like the Communist Manifesto as the Constitution. That's not rhetoric, it's easily provable.

I doubt I'll ever see a Presidential candidate that I actually like ever again. We have two generations now who know little of what I'm talking about because they've been living in the United Socialist States of America their entire lives. Trying to turn America back into what it was intended to be would be like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, at this point.

While not agreeing on every point, I actually hold a lot of the same views as you express here; however, I am not at the point you are where I don't believe the current system cannot self-correct itself. When I reflect upon my political thinking, I believe I am only about 5-8 years on the current course from being at where you are. While I have come close several times in the last year from having what I call my "Michael Savage" moment, I'm just not there yet.

[Jake]

I'd like to take this moment to reaffirm my support for my candidate.

Originally Posted by Jake

Barack Obama or John McCain?

[martinss01]

Originally Posted by Jake

I'd like to take this moment to reaffirm my support for my candidate.

i fully support your candidate. should he find his way onto the ballot i would vote for him in a heartbeat. in all seriousness, i would honestly vote for him. or rather, for none of the above.

i truely believe a vote of "no confidence" should be on every ballot for every single political office.

edit: ya know... in 2 more elections ill be old enough to run for pres. i might actually consider making a run for the whitehouse with mr. pryor as my running mate and run under the "none of the above" party line. maybe if i got enough support the 2 party system might actually realize how big a jokes their candidates really are.

[muffler dragon]

Post #36 was magnifique!!!

[Jake]

Originally Posted by martinss01

edit: ya know... in 2 more elections ill be old enough to run for pres. i might actually consider making a run for the whitehouse with mr. pryor as my running mate and run under the "none of the above" party line. maybe if i got enough support the 2 party system might actually realize how big a jokes their candidates really are.

Since mr. pryor is no longer with us I will proudly offer my services as your running mate in 2016.

[Jake]

Let's see...both candidates are peddling the global warming nonsense, both still oppose drilling in some areas, and both suggest government "investment in alternative energies" will relieve the pressure at the pump (not to mention on our economy).

If you believe any of that is going to reduce gas prices, boost the market, curb inflation or reduce the deficit then you're one of the reasons we ended up having to choose from these two jokers in the first place.

We're screwed either way. It's only a question of degree, especially if one party has control of everything come January. Gridlock, sadly, is our best hope.