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07-21-2008, 07:13 PM
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The New York Times, where "news" meets views
And they wonder why their circulation keeps dropping, and some folks think they're biased to the left.
An editorial written by Republican presidential hopeful McCain has been rejected by the NEW YORK TIMES, less than a week after the paper published an essay written by Obama.
The paper's decision to refuse McCain's direct rebuttal to Obama's 'My Plan for Iraq' has ignited explosive charges of media bias in top Republican circles.
'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,' NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain's staff. 'I'm not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.'
Shipley served in the Clinton Administration from 1995 until 1997 as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Presidential Speechwriter.
I thought an Op-Ed was supposed to be an opinion piece? Apparently, that only applies if the editor agrees with your opinions. 
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New York Times rejects McCain essay - CNN.com
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07-21-2008, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake
And they wonder why their circulation keeps dropping, and some folks think they're biased to the left...
...I thought an Op-Ed was supposed to be an opinion piece? Apparently, that only applies if the editor agrees with your opinions. |
The editorial section of a newspaper is governed by the discretion of the editor, so you are essentially correct.
Also, given the fact that McCain is mislocating important geography these days, there is also the possibility that his op-ed just, well, sucked.
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07-21-2008, 08:05 PM
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I thought an Op-Ed was supposed to be an opinion piece? Apparently, that only applies if the editor agrees with your opinions. |
Yep. But only at the New York Times. Every other paper lets any swingin' Dick (or Tom or Harry) write editorials.
Is it really lost on you that one of the perks of being Editor in Chief is that you get to pick the biases your paper will observe?
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07-21-2008, 08:09 PM
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They did McCain a favor. Nobody would have paid this any attention otherwise considering all he does is argue that he was right about the surge, we'll stay there until we achieve "victory" (whatever he means by this), and Obama is a ninny. He gets pub now because NYT bashing is popular in certain circles.
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07-22-2008, 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake
And they wonder why their circulation keeps dropping, and some folks think they're biased to the left.
An editorial written by Republican presidential hopeful McCain has been rejected by the NEW YORK TIMES, less than a week after the paper published an essay written by Obama.
The paper's decision to refuse McCain's direct rebuttal to Obama's 'My Plan for Iraq' has ignited explosive charges of media bias in top Republican circles.
'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece,' NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain's staff. 'I'm not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.'
Shipley served in the Clinton Administration from 1995 until 1997 as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Presidential Speechwriter.
I thought an Op-Ed was supposed to be an opinion piece? Apparently, that only applies if the editor agrees with your opinions.
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We were discussing this in the Obama thread.
I think Shipley was right to reject the article at this point. McCain seeks only to comment on Obama's article. I say, rather let him reduce his own "plan for Iraq" to writing and publish that.
Then, let them both respond to the other's plan.
If they know anything about circulation, they'll do it, because that would be worth reading.
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07-22-2008, 05:09 PM
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And they wonder why their circulation keeps dropping, and some folks think they're biased to the left.
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As circulation is down across the board, seems unlikely. I think the rise of the Internet is a much more likely culprit, especially when you consider the popularity of politically-biased blogs. Wishful thinking, I believe.
Given the specific suggestions the NYT made about what they would like to see, perhaps just maybe it sucked? I mean who ever said anything about it being an unfiltered forum? We'd see campaigns submitting fluff every day if that were the case.
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07-22-2008, 06:17 PM
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I think it is important that McCain be allowed a retort in the same forum, given the NY Times circulation, but I also think it is not too much to ask that it go beyond attacking his opponent's piece. Where are all the board posters that complain about (1) Obama being all flash and no substance compared to McCain, and (2) politicians attacking one another rather than addressing the issues. McCain has a great opportunity to show his salt by pointing out exactly where he and Obama differ and offer his own specific plan, and he settles for the latter only. Shocking.
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