Official: 2008 Democratic National Convention

[daddyphatsacs]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

"if you don't want 4 more years of the past 8 years, then vote for Obama" thing...

Wonderful line. I'm not much of a fan of Hillary, but she gave an excellent speech tonight. Very uplifting, from someone who I view as a bit of a drabby speechgiver. She did a very nice job of pairing the woman and racial (esp. the end) struggles over the past 200 years, and praising their causes. Took a few cheesy garbs at McCain......but those kinds of things have a way of sticking (esp. during airplay tomorrow).

[fourteenandoh]

yes, i watched the whole thing and i thought it was good. i'm just saying that she delivered it in a way that made it about her, not obama. the speech was not aimed at me, as you say muck, but i would argue that i can give a more objective opinion than an obama supporter. an obama supporter wants to believe that hillary just talked all of her voters into voting for obama, but i'm not so sure. neither hillary or obama appeal to me so i don't care either way. i watched the speech as an impartial observer and my opinion is that it made her supporters like her even more and did nothing to sway them over to obama. we'll just have to wait and see what the disillusioned hillary supporters have to say, i guess.

[Bucklion]

It was a reasonable speech, certainly well delivered, complete with the "four more years of Bush" theme, which I'm not sure is going to stick as well as they think it will, actually. And yes, she did basically tell people to vote Obama because he's the Democrat...but that's all one should really expect her to say. She wants those people still in her camp for a future run, and she didn't want to "convert" them to someone else entirely. Remember, Obama may become President, but the Clintons still think they hold the most clout in the party (and there are definitely "wings" within the Democratic party as a whole)...and will until Obama is potentially re-elected to a 2nd term. Her goal was to persuade people to vote Democrat this time and still stay behind the Clintons for the long haul...like her or not, I think she accomplished those things. Obama people couldn't have expected anything more.

[jimotis4heisman]

hillary did a very good job. although once again she was in a lose-lose position. add in the shfting of speakers since the va gov wouldnt bash mccain. i just have to wonder, is that the best the party can do? this is the same party that had fdr, truman, kennedy etc...

[OSUsushichic]

YouTube - HILLARY CLINTON: Speech to Denver...

[AKAKBUCK]

Originally Posted by OH10

Hillary supporters are going to stomp their feet to the polls in November, and they will do one of two things:

1. Vote for McCain because they are bitter and angry.

2. Vote for Obama because they realize he best represents their ideals.


Hillary's speech conveyed strongly an encouragement to do the latter. If that did not get through to her supporters, nothing will.

Actually, the real danger is that they don't stomp their feet to the polls in November.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Actually, it would shock me if you or I have the slightest clue what the "real" Michelle Obama was like. You have it figured out, so you can tell me what the real gal is like.

[Gatorubet]

Yeah. That does it.

[Flocka]

YouTube - Hillary Supporter Won't Vote for Obama?

[OH10]

Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK

Actually, the real danger is that they don't stomp their feet to the polls in November.

The people that are the most angry are "voters" and pride themselves in their participation in the democratic process. They'll show up and vote because they believe they should. If they weren't those kind of people, they really wouldn't give a [censored] about how the primary turned out.

So they'll vote. For who? Anyone's guess.

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by bigballin2987

YouTube - Hillary Supporter Won't Vote for Obama?

I couldn't tell if this woman was even all there. I'm confused over whether or not I should be upset with CNN (whose coverage has sucked) for not asking more questions and letting her rant or happy with them that they let this woman represent the die-hard HRC supporters. Either way, I agree with the slappies.

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Hillary's speech was great.

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

I concur. "It makes sense John McCain and George Bush will be together in the Twin Cities."

I thought it was a great speech. She delivered it well, went after the issues and made a clear distinction between her (and Dems) and McCain.

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

it was a good speech, but she hung obama out to dry. she didn't do much to convince her voters to vote for obama. it was all about her and how democrats should vote for obama because he's a democrat.

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Except the entire premise of his campaign has been that it is not about him, it is about "us" and our ideals. That message was aimed at former Hillary supporters who are not thrilled with Obama. According to the latest polls, that is the biggest group of swing voters. That group will likely never be personally sold on him. They have to be appealed to on another level. I thought she nailed that.

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

she didn't give one reason why they should vote for him other than the fact that he's a democrat. if i were on the fence that speech would have done nothing to change my opinion.

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

That speech wasn't aimed at you. Of course, you would not hear it the same as someone who pinned their hopes on Hillary. That whole "if you were in this for me" piece went strait to the issue. No, she didn't talk about Obama's personality, but she said that he shares these values and these goals and these ideals. "Nothing less than the future of our children and the fate of our children hang in the balance." If that's not a reason to vote for the guy, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

along with the "if you don't want 4 more years of the past 8 years, then vote for Obama" thing...

Her whole speech was based on shared values with Obama and having the party unite with Obama. Did you listen to the whole thing, fourteen?

Clinton calls for unity - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

Your point was echoed by several of the newscasters, 14-0, but I think you are missing that point that MuckFich and Sushi are making. Those of her supporters that are ok with Obama as a candidate have presumably already made the switch. Those 'die-hards' needed to hear that the things that they believed in will be represented by an Obama presidency and NOT represented by McCain. She was purposefully addressing women and her supporters, many of whom have been irrational relative to their own political beliefs. It was also probably aimed at those who might never otherwise vote for the candidate with the "funny name" (a line that is relatively stupid if you've ever lived in any major city) to instruct them to rally around the issues, even if they hold some inner (or outer) biases (for lack of better words).

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

I don't know if this got covered on the networks (it wasn't on MSNBC which I was watching), although I had the internet feed rolling so I saw it. I thought Schweitzer was solid. The netroots love him.

YouTube - MONTANA GOV SCHWEITZER STEALS SHOW: Blasts Bush, "Petro-Dictators"

Schweitzer was great. The big loser last night may have ben Gov. Mark Warner who was completely outshown. I had a conversation with a friend of mine from Virgina before the speeches yesterday, and we both thought that Warner was in a prime spot to choose his own political destiny, but he may have dropped the ball by being too... unremarkable.

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

WTF is this supposed to mean?

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by 'BusNative

WTF is this supposed to mean?

2 pictures are worth 2 thousand words, while a pretty convention speech isn't worth much at all (IMO of course). All the makeup in Denver can't hide the giant chip on Michelle Obama's shoulder.

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

2 pictures are worth 2 thousand words, while a pretty convention speech isn't worth much at all (IMO of course). All the makeup in Denver can't hide the giant chip on Michelle Obama's shoulder.

Can you give me 10 of the 2,000 words that these pictures are supposed to mean? A mid-sentence still from a speech and a fist bump? Give me a [censored]ing break. What on earth does Michelle Obama have to be angry about? What chip?