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What an Idiot, she doesn't even know the constitution. OMG talk about insert foot in mouth. BTW can I get 150,000 in a clothing allowance?
what do you think obama/mccain/biden pay for their suits? haircuts? shoes, makeup, etc...
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what do you think obama/mccain/biden pay for their suits? haircuts? shoes, makeup, etc...

good question Did she read the constitution before going to Saks 5th Ave?

Any college student should know the constitution, but we are in trouble if she gets put in the White House, period!
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The abuse being heaped on Sarah Palin is such a cheap shot.
The complaint against the Alaska governor, at its most basic, is that she doesn't qualify for admission to the national political fraternity. Boy, that's rich. Behold the shabby frat house that says it's above her pay grade.
NBC Sarah Palin appears with Lorne Michaels on Saturday Night Live.



Congress has the lowest approval rating ever registered in the history of polling (12%!). She isn't the reason polls are showing people want the entire Congress fired, with many telling pollsters they themselves could do a better job.
Sarah Palin didn't design a system of presidential primaries whose length and cost ensures that only the most obsessional personalities will run the gauntlet, while a long list of effective governors don't run.
These rules have wasted the electorate's time the past three presidential elections, by filling the debates with such zero-support candidates as Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, Al Sharpton, Duncan Hunter, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden (8,000 total votes), Wesley Clark and Alan Keyes.
Daniel Henninger discusses the "cheap shots" taken at Sarah Palin and highlights some problems with the political system. (Oct. 23)


Out of this process has fallen a Democratic nominee who entered the U.S. Senate in 2005 fresh off a stint in the Illinois state legislature, with next to no record of political accomplishment. He may be elected mainly because, in Colin Powell's word, he is thought to be "transformational." One may hope so.


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By not bothering to look very deeply at the details beneath either candidate's governing proposals, the media have created a lot of downtime to take free kicks at Gov. Palin. My former colleague, Tunku Varadarajan, has compiled a glossary of Palin invective, and I've added a few: "Republican blow-up doll," "idiot," "Christian Stepford wife," "Jesus freak," "Caribou Barbie," "a dope," "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party," "liar," "a national disgrace" and "her pretense that she is a woman."

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My former colleague, Tunku Varadarajan, has compiled a glossary of Palin invective, and I've added a few: "Republican blow-up doll," "idiot," "Christian Stepford wife," "Jesus freak," "Caribou Barbie," "a dope," "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party," "liar," "a national disgrace" and "her pretense that she is a woman."
Regardless of what one thinks of Palin, these (except maybe Caribou Barbie, which is kind of cute) are way over the top. Name-calling has become way too popular in politics, on both sides of the aisle.
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Regardless of what one thinks of Palin, these (except maybe Caribou Barbie, which is kind of cute) are way over the top. Name-calling has become way too popular in politics, on both sides of the aisle.
stop trying to be so moderate you waffling sonuvabitch, you're either with us or against us!
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stop trying to be so moderate you waffling sonuvabitch, you're either with us or against us!
Yes, I am - either with ya or agin' ya!

Mmmmmmm - waffles!
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what do you think obama/mccain/biden pay for their suits? haircuts? shoes, makeup, etc...
Honestly, I don't care how much Obama or McCain pay for their suits. What I do care about is the hypocrisy of the woman putting on this "hockey mom" schtick, talking about how small town Wal-Mart shoppers are the "real America" (doesn't take a professor of rhetoric to recognize that there must necessarily be an "other" "illegitimate" America) then finding out that she's taking 150K in free clothing from Nieman-Marcus and Saks.

Then again, her tenure as Alaska Gov would seem to argue that she's quite comfortable taking illegitimate cash reimbursements from the taxpayers, so why would she pause over a few pieces of clothing.
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Regardless of what one thinks of Palin, these (except maybe Caribou Barbie, which is kind of cute) are way over the top. Name-calling has become way too popular in politics, on both sides of the aisle.
I've heard her called "Bible Spice", which was sort of cute. Which I post as a lead-in: :ED

Here is a recent interview with Dobson. I feel a little creeped out about the way in which she co-opts God to be her partner and fellow Republican in her battle against the Democrats. Thoughts?


Here's a rough transcript of some of the key moments in the fascinating interview of Sarah Palin by James Dobson of Focus on the Family. You can listen to it here:
God & The Mainstream Media Filter: Palin says she need's God's help to go around the mainstream media to get her message out:
"You cant pick a fight with those who buy ink by the barrelful...this is where my faith becomes even more important to me. I have to have faith that our message will get out to the American people minus the filter of the mainstream media.... We can't get that message through the mainstream media. ... I have to have that faith that God's going to help us get that message out there."
Trig's Birth & the Pro-Life Movement: On the feeling that God brought Trig's birth in order to help the pro-life movement:
"I've always had near and dear to my heart the mission of protecting the sanctity of life and being pro-life, a hardcore pro-lifer, but I think this opportunity for me to really be walking the walk and not just talking the talk. There's purpose in this also for a greater good to be met. I feel so privileged and blessed to have been, I guess, chosen to have Trig enter our lives because I do want it to help us in our cause here in allowing America to be a more welcoming nation for all of our children."
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I would think that any POTUS/Veep candidate, male or female, spends a fair amount of money on clothes. It just goes with the territory and arguing about it only contributes to the difficulty to keep the focus on what the intentions of the candidate are. If I wanted to watch people bitch about clothing I'd google Brittney Spears.

I am interested in just who has referred to her as caribou Barbie or any of the other pejoratives listed in the mainstream press. I haven't see her referred to as anything other than Governor Palin or Ms Palin.

At the same time I have heard her use "Barack Hussein Obama," emphasizing the middle name, on more than one occassion.

And of course there's the famous "That One" by McCain.
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... I have to have that faith that God's going to help us get that message out there."
God's too busy helping assorted athletes catch touchdowns and hit home runs. He might be stretched a little thin, so I hope she has a backup plan.
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God's too busy helping assorted athletes catch touchdowns and hit home runs. He might be stretched a little thin, so I hope she has a backup plan.
off topic but reading that i got major league the movie falsh backs with "you don't think jesus christ can hit a curve ball?" "F--- You Juboo, I do it myself" and other Cerano/Harris quotes from that movie
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And of course there's the famous "That One" by McCain.
McCain's just positioning himself for his advertising career after November 4th. Dole had the viagra commercial. McCain's just getting his catch phrase out there a little early.

McCain: Who's got low, low prices on name brand carpeting....points at cheesy Buddy the Carpet Guy..."That One!"
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Honestly, I don't care how much Obama or McCain pay for their suits. What I do care about is the hypocrisy of the woman putting on this "hockey mom" schtick, talking about how small town Wal-Mart shoppers are the "real America" (doesn't take a professor of rhetoric to recognize that there must necessarily be an "other" "illegitimate" America) then finding out that she's taking 150K in free clothing from Nieman-Marcus and Saks.

Then again, her tenure as Alaska Gov would seem to argue that she's quite comfortable taking illegitimate cash reimbursements from the taxpayers, so why would she pause over a few pieces of clothing.


You really think she's keeping that stuff?
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At the same time I have heard her use "Barack Hussein Obama," emphasizing the middle name, on more than one occassion.
I believe that was found to be inaccurate earlier on this thread, not sure... but...

You might want to provide a link if you're asking for others.
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At the same time I have heard her use "Barack Hussein Obama," emphasizing the middle name, on more than one occassion.
She has never said that and one time a sheriff who was introducing her said it.
Good call, though.
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