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bigballin' made a good point.
         
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I'm guessing it is a very high percentage, likely above 85% or so..... Meanwhile I was flipping between Wake Forest - Baylor, the most boring game ever on E$$$$$PN and the Vandy - Fredo of Ohio game  and I'll likely do the same during the GOP convention too....
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08-29-2008, 05:55 PM
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08-29-2008, 06:07 PM
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 or is that the reason I have a good one 
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08-29-2008, 06:08 PM
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She's not on the ballot. The influence of Mrs. Reagan & Mrs. Clinton both tended to lead to Presidental decisions that I disliked. I don't see anything that leads me to believe that Mrs. Obama pulling her husband's strings would be any different. Quote:
That is just not the case. The current numbers are unprecedented historically. Last edited by Muck; 08-29-2008 at 06:14 PM.
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08-29-2008, 06:12 PM
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08-29-2008, 06:48 PM
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 Confidence in Congress: Lowest Ever for Any U.S. Institution It's absolutely terrible now for a variety of reasons, the most obvious being the cost of energy. Congress rarely acts rapidly--it just isn't designed to do so. People don't understand this (or the sound reasons for a policy favoring a degree of gridlock), so they get irrationally [censored]ed when Congress doesn't act fast enough. Right now, there's no question that gas prices are the #1 issue on this front. People want relief right now but the reality is that the market is what it is, and the real problem is that Congress and the Executive didn't anticipate this problem decades ago, but that's another issue. Adding to all this is that whichever party isn't in power at the time asserts a populist message of "Congress is broken" and "These morons are gridlocked." McCain's running ads right now that state something along the lines of "Washington's broken. John McCain knows it." Well he should. He's been there for decades.
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08-29-2008, 06:51 PM
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This is what makes me go hmmmmmmm?? about the pick. Interesting timing.
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08-29-2008, 06:52 PM
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08-29-2008, 06:59 PM
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I'm gonna get drilled for this one and I fully deserve it, but here it is...
McCain's new slogan: [censored]ry First
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08-29-2008, 07:19 PM
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08-29-2008, 08:43 PM
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I can only imagine Ramesh is upset his boy Jindal didn't get the nod...
The Corner on National Review Online Cold Water on Palin [Ramesh Ponnuru] Both the pros and the cons are pretty obvious. I?m going to focus on the cons, mostly because conservatives right now seem to be paying them less attention. The pros: She?s a pro-life conservative reformer from outside Washington, and a woman. The pick signals a boldness and willingness to mix things up that the McCain campaign, like Republicans generally, need. The cons: Inexperience. Palin has been governor for about two minutes. Thanks to McCain?s decision, Palin could be commander-in-chief next year. That may strike people as a reckless choice; it strikes me that way. And McCain's age raised the stakes on this issue. As a political matter, it undercuts the case against Obama. Conservatives are pointing out that it is tricky for the Obama campaign to raise the issue of her inexperience given his own, and note that the presidency matters more than the vice-presidency. But that gets things backward. To the extent the experience, qualifications, and national-security arguments are taken off the table, Obama wins. And it?s not just foreign policy. Palin has no experience dealing with national domestic issues, either. (On the other hand, as Kate O?Beirne just told me, we know that Palin will be ready for that 3 a.m. phone call: She?ll already be up with her baby.) Tokenism. Can anyone say with a straight face that Palin would have gotten picked if she were a man? Compatibility. It doesn?t seem as though McCain knows Palin well. Do we have much reason to think they would work well together? Debates. Maybe, as Jonah said the other day, Biden will look like a bully going up against her?and maybe she?ll shine. But I can think of a lot of other picks who would have been lower-risk. I am not even sure that the pick will have quite the galvanizing effect on conservatives that it seems to be having now as it sinks in. The concerns I?ve mentioned here?about her readiness and her credentials?are the kind of thing that many conservative voters take seriously. Now, as I said, there are pros too. Maybe Palin will be a terrific candidate and vice president. But let?s not underestimate the potential downside.
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08-29-2008, 09:44 PM
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08-29-2008, 10:28 PM
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I'll try to help a bit
I'm a social conservative, was in the military till early this year, not terribly excited about McCain. I am a war supporter. I am not surprised we're still in Iraq. I'm not surprised that it costs lots of money. I'm not happy with how Bush recently has tried to ramrod land for peace deals down Israel's throat. Not at all. I am intrigued by the pick. Early returns say she might be my favorite of the 4 P/VP candidates, but I wasn't voting for Obama anyway. At least now I believe there's a candidate who likely shares my values.
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