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Old 08-29-2008, 11:07 PM
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You don't understand how life expectancy is calculated.

The average life expectancy at birth in the middle ages was 35. Someone who managed to make it to the age of 32 wasn't suddenly more likely to drop dead than someone who was 25.

Luckily Senator McCain isn't a black man in the US or he'd already be dead.
Muck. If this is what you're getting out of average life expectancy, I don't think you even remotely begin to understand the purpose or proper use of statistics.
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Muck. If this is what you're getting out of average life expectancy, I don't think you even remotely begin to understand the purpose or proper use of statistics.
It makes sense. According to the CDC, the life expectancy for a 72 year old white man in the US, is 84. So the average person that makes it to McCain's age, dies at 84. So...odds are, he won't die during Obama's two terms.
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Another reason to like the pick - Michael Savage Weiner hates it......that's another + for her in my book
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Maybe it will work. But maybe (and at least as likely) it will reinforce a theme that I'd be pounding home if I were the Obama campaign: that it's John McCain for all his white hair who represents the risky choice, while it is Barack Obama who offers cautious, steady, predictable governance.
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I'm a social conservative, was in the military till early this year, not terribly excited about McCain. I am a war supporter. I am not surprised we're still in Iraq. I'm not surprised that it costs lots of money. I'm not happy with how Bush recently has tried to ramrod land for peace deals down Israel's throat. Not at all. I am intrigued by the pick. Early returns say she might be my favorite of the 4 P/VP candidates, but I wasn't voting for Obama anyway. At least now I believe there's a candidate who likely shares my values.
Yes I'm quoting myself, because apparently myself managed to come across as racist. Let me be clear. If my uncle had the same views as Obama I would not vote for him. If I had just come across Obama and I had read about him what I've read so far about Palin, I would like him.

I won't vote for Obama because I disagree with him on issues that are important to me.

I am hoping that most of you didn't need that explanation.
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Yes I'm quoting myself, because apparently myself managed to come across as racist. Let me be clear. If my uncle had the same views as Obama I would not vote for him. If I had just come across Obama and I had read about him what I've read so far about Palin, I would like him.

I won't vote for Obama because I disagree with him on issues that are important to me.

I am hoping that most of you didn't need that explanation.
So you weren't voting for Obama anyway? That's not racist. People who assume since you don't like man who happens to be black, that you are racist, are stupid. And it sounds like it isn't even that you don't like Obama, moreso you don't like Obama's platform and views on social issues. I, on the other hand, do. It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with who you think best represents where you want this country to go. I think the idea of experience is not really relavent when it comes to this election. None of these people have any experience being President. And furthermore, the President has A LOT OF HELP. Lack of experience has never been a problem with a President. It's all about who they surround them self with. And we know who McCain will surround himself with. And we know who Obama will surround himself with. I like the people Obama would surround himself with, therefore I like Obama. Obama could be white, yellow, female, gay, anything (except a Michigan fan) and I would vote for him. And I am sure that McCain could be all of those things, and you would vote for him as well.
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It makes sense. According to the CDC, the life expectancy for a 72 year old white man in the US, is 84. So the average person that makes it to McCain's age, dies at 84. So...odds are, he won't die during Obama's two terms.
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It makes sense. According to the CDC, the life expectancy for a 72 year old white man in the US, is 84. So the average person that makes it to McCain's age, dies at 84. So...odds are, he won't die during Obama's two terms.
Sure, but will his brain turn to mush like Ronald "My wife is running the country" Reagan's did?
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It is conceivable that some people will think John McCain picked Sarah Palin to be his running mate because she is a woman. I know you find this shocking, but I swear I have heard it mentioned.

McCain does not believe in pandering to identity politics. He was looking for someone who was well prepared to fight against international Islamic extremism, the transcendent issue of our time. And in the end he decided that in good conscience, he was not going to settle for anyone who had not been commander of a state national guard for at least a year and a half. He put down his foot!

The obvious choice was Palin, the governor of Alaska, whose guard stands as our last best defense against possible attack by the resurgent Russian menace across the Bering Strait.

Also a woman, but that's totally beside the point.

True, the only nonfamily members other than McCain that Palin really mentioned in her introductory speech were Democrats Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Whatever happened to Ronald Reagan? Isn't there a rule that you have to mention Ronald Reagan?

"It was rightly noted in Denver that Hillary made 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America," Palin said. "It turns out the women of America aren?t finished yet, and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all."

O.K., the women thing might have been a little bit of a selling point. Not nearly so much as the national guard commandership, of course. But if the millions of Democratic women who are still ticked off at Obama for stepping in front of Hillary in the line want to look elsewhere ...
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The story behind the Palin surprise - Jonathan Martin - Politico.com

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John McCain on Friday announced a running mate whom he met only six months ago and with whom he spoke just once on the phone about the position before offering it in person earlier this week.

McCain's first encounter with Sarah Palin came at a Washington meeting of the National Governors Association in February, according to a campaign-provided reconstruction of how the little-known Alaska governor was thrust into the national spotlight. The two discussed the position by phone on Sunday before McCain invited Palin and her husband to Arizona to formally make the offer. McCain, joined by his wife, Cindy, did just that Thursday morning at their home near Sedona, Ariz.

By picking somebody he and most Americans barely know -- an out-of-the-blue decision that sent shock waves of disbelief through the political world and still has jaws agape -- McCain has taken a considerable gamble.
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What does this say about McCain's decision making style?
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The story behind the Palin surprise - Jonathan Martin - Politico.com

cont.

What does this say about McCain's decision making style?
Democrats don't like it.
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Democrats don't like it.
I put more effort into deciding if I wanted to date someone I met on the internet than he spent choosing the person who would be 1 heart beat away from being President.
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