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Old 07-12-2009, 06:30 PM
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Well thats true, and that was my original point.
My bad Buck. Next time I'll just say "+1".
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:20 PM
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BUT Bob Taft and Ike would not have borrowed money to go to war and Jack Kemp looked at the inner city and recognized it as a problem that could be fixed and fought to a) spend money to fix it. b) invite input from banks, entreprenures, local government and the POOR to achieve that goal.

The answers I've been getting from the Sarah Palins of this world are: 1) No abortion, regardless of circumstances, no way. Except for rape, I agree with that statement. You do not get a do over by killing your child. Over 95% of all abortions have nothing to do with rape. Get rid of them and we can argue over the other 4% 2) If we get a narrow definition of marriage fathers will marry the mothers of THEIR children and that will solve much of the poverty issue. This is a total strawman statement, it has nothing to do w/ the validity of gay marriage 3) I demand the right to buy an assault rifle without registration. If you can pass a criminal and mental check, buy all the "assault rifles" you like. Increase the prison time for felons caught w/ guns. 4) Let's keep on driving SUVs, drill for every last drop of oil, and to hell with solar and wind until there's nothing left. If you think solar and wind are going to provide more than afraction of this countries energy needs w/ present technology, you are sadly mistaken. We need lots of nuclear power plants, and need them now-Pike County is building a new one for Duke Energy. As for cars, McCain proposed a $300million federal reward for building a workable electric car-why did BHO stick that in his spend-a-thon. I see nothing wrong w/ exploiting fossil fuel resources as much as possible' while at the same time developing other technologies. 5) We're the US, we'll do what we want and to hell with the rest of the world. We're the US, and we're pretty much the only country in the world that gives a darn when psychotic 3rd World despots try to destabilize the Middle East. Europe certainly doesn't care. we don't tell France how to conduct their foreign policy(or China), they shouldn't tell us how to conduct ours, unless they have have workable, practical solutions-and no, passing UN resolutions doesn't count.

I'm looking for GOP leaders to get back to the VALUES of paying as you go, acknowledging the problems facing the nation and inviting those affected to solve them, asking the nation to share the burden of defense, working to build alliances to solve the issues that would cause nations to go to war and Sarah is the answer the party is giving back to me.
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Except for rape, I agree with that statement. You do not get a do over by killing your child. Over 95% of all abortions have nothing to do with rape. Get rid of them and we can argue over the other 4% 2) If we get a narrow definition of marriage fathers will marry the mothers of THEIR children and that will solve much of the poverty issue. This is a total strawman statement, it has nothing to do w/ the validity of gay marriage 3) I demand the right to buy an assault rifle without registration. If you can pass a criminal and mental check, buy all the "assault rifles" you like. Increase the prison time for felons caught w/ guns. 4) Let's keep on driving SUVs, drill for every last drop of oil, and to hell with solar and wind until there's nothing left. If you think solar and wind are going to provide more than afraction of this countries energy needs w/ present technology, you are sadly mistaken. We need lots of nuclear power plants, and need them now-Pike County is building a new one for Duke Energy. As for cars, McCain proposed a $300million federal reward for building a workable electric car-why did BHO stick that in his spend-a-thon. I see nothing wrong w/ exploiting fossil fuel resources as much as possible' while at the same time developing other technologies. 5) We're the US, we'll do what we want and to hell with the rest of the world. We're the US, and we're pretty much the only country in the world that gives a darn when psychotic 3rd World despots try to destabilize the Middle East. Europe certainly doesn't care. we don't tell France how to conduct their foreign policy(or China), they shouldn't tell us how to conduct ours, unless they have have workable, practical solutions-and no, passing UN resolutions doesn't count.
Where's the GOP and Palin headed? Don't take my word for it. Listen to this interview from Dr. Richard Land, from the horse's mouth so to speak, and then tell me where the GOP is going.

I'll stand by my interpretations.

It runs about 21 minutes total and the final five should scare the bejeezees out of anyone who fears a theocracy in this country.


Richard Land: Religion and Ethics : NPR
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I thought I saw that poster with Geraldine Ferraro's picture on it.
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I thought I saw that poster with Geraldine Ferraro's picture on it.
I'm sure you did...she pretty much has that same look on her face all the time...
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Here, Palin inserts a large plastic straw into a small child to suck out its baby juices in accordance with the commands of her Dark Lord, Dick Cheney.

But I could be wrong.
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why?
Heat. Kitchen. Gettin' out.

Or so some say.
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Heat. Kitchen. Gettin' out.

Or so some say.
if a man resigned would the commentary be true? or is rather sushis political views? or palins pro life, say it live it view? her fiscal policy view? or lack of foreign policy view? i find the comment sexist.

how far has barack obama set black folks back with his minus 8 rating?
Rasmussen Reports?: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere
he carries an overall of 53-46 (i guess one percent is the florida vote and they are counting hanging chads?)

meantime palin as gov is "crashing" as the huff post mentions.
AKMuckraker: Sarah Palin's Approval Rating in Alaska is Crashing. When Will the Burning Start?
wait, +14
59.8% overall approval.


also stumbled across this
A $30,000 an hour attorney? Palin report overstates inquiries' costs | McClatchy
since we were discussing it. it appears the state overstated the defense costs, originally at 1.9m. the state appears they may have overstated, by $26,849
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if a man resigned would the commentary be true?
A governor who "resigns" mid-term is a damn quitter on his constituents. Matters not male or female, matters not Dem or GOP, matters not Hispanic or black or white. A quitter who has reneged on his commitment to the electorate.
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if a man resigned would the commentary be true? or is rather sushis political views? or palins pro life, say it live it view? her fiscal policy view? or lack of foreign policy view? i find the comment sexist.
It wasn't sexist, it just didn't make any sense.
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if a man resigned would the commentary be true? or is rather sushis political views? or palins pro life, say it live it view? her fiscal policy view? or lack of foreign policy view? i find the comment sexist.
You've hit some of the points. The setting back females in politics is partly because of the sexist views of the inability of women to [fill in the blank] as well as men. To those who feel that women are "too frail or emotional to be President", Palin's quitting* when the going got tough was an affirmation of that archaic view, and so could be seen by some as having set the women's movement (as far as the assertion that they are just as good as men in elected office) back.

The kitchen comment is just me being me.

(* Brave Sir Sarah ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
She bravely turned her tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Sarah turned about
And gallantly she chickened out.
Bravely taking to her feet
She beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Sarah! )
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