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Old 07-15-2009, 12:32 AM
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I agree with most of what Palin believes on paper...however, her failure to explain herself, or how she will execute her beliefs are less than desirable for me. So in other words, I like her, but nowhere near the white house...maybe over lunch. With that said, it has been despicable what has happened to her. The liberal hate groups draining Palin's personal pocketbook over frivolous lawsuits is despicable. All of the cases were dropped in court quickly. These suits had no real premise and those who brought them to court knew it. I hope all of this comes back crashing on their heads. Palin, as much as I don't want as a leader of the GOP or even close, is a good person and doesn't deserve all the hatred and slander. So what if her daughter got pregnant? She doesn't hold the key to her daughters pants, nor who she dates. If a person decides not to follow their parents standards it wouldn't be the first time. Plus, where are all the feminist groups seeking to protect Sarah Palin? If she wasn't pro-life they would all be running to the rescue. The whole circus surrounding her is ridiculous.

However, the liberals and media suceeded, her name is ruined...we need some new Repubs to be the face of the party (obviously but now it's more evident).
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I agree with most of what Palin believes on paper...however, her failure to explain herself, or how she will execute her beliefs are less than desirable for me. So in other words, I like her, but nowhere near the white house...maybe over lunch. With that said, it has been despicable what has happened to her. The liberal hate groups draining Palin's personal pocketbook over frivolous lawsuits is despicable. All of the cases were dropped in court quickly. These suits had no real premise and those who brought them to court knew it. I hope all of this comes back crashing on their heads

However, the liberals and media suceeded, her name is ruined...we need some new Repubs to be the face of the party (obviously but now it's more evident).
Um. No. That is just about all wrong. The greatest cost item was Palin turning herself in on Troopergate. And you do know that Palin personally appointed the people who investigated her - right? And you do know that because she paid back money she improperly took that one of the ethics complaints was dismissed - right? I mean, it was not dismissed because it was bogus, it was dimissed because she paid the money back.
Palin reimburses state $8,100 for family trips: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

You do remember that she took per diem for living in her own freaking home for 312 nights during her first 19 months in office, $60 a day (intended to cover meals and incidentals, while traveling on state business) and that she was forced to pay back taxes on it ?

And it did not involve a court at all. Just a board of her appointees.

But your story is much better sounding.
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Gator the other two points are

A - her out-of-pocket costs are essentially zero, a legal defense fund picked up those tabs, and
B - the extraordinary costs for the State, the bulk of those costs were transfer costs from already budgeted employees - staff in other words.
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Gator the other two points are

A - her out-of-pocket costs are essentially zero, a legal defense fund picked up those tabs, and
B - the extraordinary costs for the State, the bulk of those costs were transfer costs from already budgeted employees - staff in other words.
Sara “Baracuda” Palin Ethics Violations List | In Your Face Radio
Ethics complaints filed against Palin: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

i believe their have been 3 more allegations since that time.
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1. - July 28, 2008 - Alaska lawmakers launched an investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan over his refusal to let go a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce with Palin’s sister. Stephen Branchflower, a special counsel leading the investigation, concluded Oct. 10 that Palin violated a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain. The firing itself was deemed lawful since Monegan was an at-will employee.
2. - Aug. 6, 2008 - Complaint filed by outspoken Palin critic Andree McLeod of Anchorage contended Palin and some staff members used their influence to get a Palin supporter a job in state government. Complaint alleged Palin staffers helped Tom Lamal, who once co-hosted a Palin fundraiser, to get a job as a surveyor. Dismissed by state personnel board, although the board’s investigator recommended ethics training for one staffer who made questionable comments in e-mails.
3. - Aug. 20, 2008 - Complaint accused Palin of breaking election law by taking a public position on a mining ballot initiative days before the vote. Filed by Brian Kraft, founder of the Bristol Bay Alliance, a group that opposed the Pebble Mine prospect. Rejected May 8 by the Alaska Public Offices Commission.
- Aug. 29, 2008 - Palin named as John McCain’s running mate.
4. - Sept. 2, 2008 - Palin filed a “self disclosure” with the state personnel board over the Troopergate affair, saying a state legislative probe had become too political. On Nov. 3 - the day before the election - Timothy Petumenos, a lawyer hired by the board, said that Palin violated no ethics laws when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.
5. - Sept. 3, 2008 - Complaint by the Public Safety Employees Association alleged Palin or her staff had unauthorized access to and improperly disclosed information from personnel records of Trooper Mike Wooten, Palin’s ex-brother-in-law. Complaint was later amended to include an allegation of harassment. The PSEA’s allegations were investigated alongside Palin’s filing and also dismissed.
6. - Oct. 13, 2008 - Monegan asked the board for a hearing to clear his name. Petumenos, in his Nov. 3 Troopergate report to the panel, said there was no legal basis or jurisdiction for such a hearing.
7. - Oct. 23, 2008 - Complaint with the Federal Election Commission by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics alleged the $150,000-plus designer wardrobe the Republican Party bought to outfit Palin in her vice presidential quest violated Federal Election Campaign Act. The Washington watchdog group argued that candidates aren’t supposed to use donor money for personal expenses. The FEC ruled May 19 that party money is not covered by the ban.
8. - Oct. 24, 2008 - Complaint contended Palin abused her power by charging the state when her children traveled with her. The personnel board found no wrongdoing, but in a Feb. 23 settlement Palin agreed to reimburse the state about $10,000 for costs associated with 10 trips found to be of questionable state interest among 72 travel authorizations studied. The money is due to the state on Tuesday.
9. - Nov. 14, 2008 - Accused Palin of partisan “post-election damage control” for talking to reporters about the campaign in her state office. Filed by Zane Henning, a North Slope worker from Wasilla, Palin’s hometown. Dismissed by state personnel board March 23.
10. - Dec. 2, 2008 - Alleged Palin violated ethics law by campaigning for Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia. Filed by Anthony Martin of Talkeetna. Dismissed by state personnel board March 23.
11. - Dec. 18, 2008 - Complaint contended Palin misused funds of the Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute, a quasi-government entity, to promote her political ambitions with advertisements featuring her, violating ethics law. The ads promoting Alaska seafood ran in the National Fisherman last year through November. Dismissed Jan. 12 after a personnel board investigation determined Palin’s only involvement was to give permission to use her image long before she was named McCain’s running mate.
12. - Jan. 12 - Complaint alleging interference in a job hiring was filed under the name of Edna Birch, a busybody character on the British soap opera Emmerdale. Palin’s attorney, Thomas Van Flein, said no one by that name could be found living in Alaska and the filer refused to use a real name, so the complaint was dismissed Feb. 20.
13. and 14. - Jan. 26 - Two complaints filed by McLeod alleged two of Palin’s top aides misused their official positions for Palin’s personal and political gain. The complaints said then-press secretary Bill McAllister and Kris Perry - director of the governor’s Anchorage office - worked on state time to benefit Palin’s interests during and after her vice presidential quest. Pending.
15. - March 18 - Contended Palin improperly used state staff, property, time and equipment for partisan political purposes. One of the grievances cited was Palin’s posting of her veep candidacy on the official state governor’s Web site - Alaska Governor Sarah Palin Complaint filed by McLeod. Dismissed May 27 as lacking merit by personnel board May 27.
16. - March 24 - Contended conflict of interest by Palin because she wore Arctic Cat logo gear during the Tesoro Iron Dog snowmobile race. Palin’s husband, Todd, is sponsored by Arctic Cat in the race. Filed by Linda Kellen Biegel, a Democratic blogger. Dismissed June 2.
17. - April 22 - Alleged that work with Palin’s political action committee violated two provisions of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act by misusing her official position and accepting outside employment. Filed by Anchorage resident Sondra Tompkins. Dismissed as lacking merit by state personnel board May 8.
18. - April 27 - Contends Palin is misusing the governor’s office for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits and receiving improper gifts through the Alaska Fund Trust. The fund was recently established by supporters to help Palin pay off more than $500,000 in legal debts stemming from other ethics complaints, including troopergate. Complaint filed by Eagle River resident, Kim Chatman. Pending.
actually sangdk- Palin Legal Fund Challenged As Ethics Violation
her legal defense fund was actually an alleged violation.

the numbers i posted before was 1.9m (minus about what was found to just short of 30k in numbers that appear fuzzy).
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also gator i dont know how exactly the venue works but what do you think it would cost jindal to 12bc or 56 stuff out against him? ak states the state attorney fee cap is $120some, what kind of law work can you get done at that amount? contrast that to the in excess of $1,000 an hour firms gm is using for their b.r.
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... I like her, but nowhere near the white house...maybe over lunch.
I agree with that, but she ain't been running for "lunchmate."
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So in other words, I like her, but nowhere near the white house...maybe over lunch.
Yet she seems to be trying as hard as she can to get to that white house. Don't you think that's a tad arrogant? For someone as incompetent as her to completely ignore her faults and try so hard to have an influence, when she's clearly not suited?
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i believe their have been 3 more allegations since that time.


actually sangdk- Palin Legal Fund Challenged As Ethics Violation
her legal defense fund was actually an alleged violation.

the numbers i posted before was 1.9m (minus about what was found to just short of 30k in numbers that appear fuzzy).
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also gator i dont know how exactly the venue works but what do you think it would cost jindal to 12bc or 56 stuff out against him? ak states the state attorney fee cap is $120some, what kind of law work can you get done at that amount? contrast that to the in excess of $1,000 an hour firms gm is using for their b.r.
$2,000,000 is a Palinsim. The people working on the ethics complaints are already salaried employees working on the clock. Picking up one piece of paper on their desk ( Palin ethics complaint) instead of the other piece of paper ( legal challenge to constitutionality of moose-man hybrid ban law) on their desk is not a $2 mil expense.

And - again - the bulk of the expense is the complaint lodged by Palin herself.

I may be wrong, but as it is an administrative board, I do not think 12b and sjm are involved.
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If she wants to be in the White House so badly, maybe she should think about going back to school and getting a graduate degree. She barely received her bachelor's.
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If she wants to be in the White House so badly, maybe she should think about going back to school and getting a graduate degree. She barely received her bachelor's.

No need - she's going to run for Ted Steven's seat in the Senate.

And for the record, a secondary degree isn't necessary. I remember this one guy who was Ppresident that got his undergrad degree from a small school. No post graduate degree and he seemed to do alright.

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No need - she's going to run for Ted Steven's seat in the Senate.

And for the record, a secondary degree isn't necessary. I remember this one guy who was Ppresident that got his undergrad degree from a small school. No post graduate degree and he seemed to do alright.

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I'm not arguing that it's necessary. I'm just saying she sounds uneducated when she speaks a lot of the time. It would do her great justice to get a degree in a politically related field or a JD. It would help her credibility.

And the notion that Reagan "seemed to do alright" is certainly "you're opinion".
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And the notion that Reagan "seemed to do alright" is certainly "you're opinion".

Bah - I think I deserve a greenie for containing myself.
I wanted to say "HARFHARFHARF - BEST PRESIDENT EVAR!"

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Bah - I think I deserve a greenie for containing myself.
I wanted to say "HARFHARFHARF - BEST PRESIDENT EVAR!"

You forgot the:

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some tidbits from Hillary Clinton's thread on this site



















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that took about twenty minutes, I scanned the first several pages and then searched for the word bitch, all from this site alone, I can't imagine what else is out there

so like I said, you're not looking very hard
I just searched this thread for "bitch" and got a total of 3 occasions where Palin was referred to as a bitch. Once by Tibor, once by Ubet, and once by valentine. So once seriously from some one who wasn't doing it just for effect.

Every other use of the word "bitch" was "I bitched about it" or a portrayal (by a defender of Palin) of somebody else's words, even if those criticizing her never referred to her as such.

I won't deny that she is a polarizing figure where people generally feel very strongly one way or another, but Hillary has had a lot worse things said about her.
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I just searched this thread for "bitch" and got a total of 3 occasions where Palin was referred to as a bitch. Once by Tibor, once by Ubet, and once by valentine. So once seriously from some one who wasn't doing it just for effect.
This post bothers me, as the use of the word was taken out of context in my post.

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If this stupendously clueless and ignorant bitch is elected Veep this country deserves to be conquered by the Norwegian Army and our children taken away to be used as cod bait for the victor's fishing fleet.
I think you will agree that no attack was intended.
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