Ex-Alaska Governor Sarah Palin (Official)

[BrutuStrength]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

A lawyer understands you can misrepresent facts in two ways: by simply mis-stating what facts there are, or by intentionally withholding crucial related facts in an effort to change the appearance of the overall truth.

As to the "crucial related facts," I think your beef here is much more legitimate regarding TBTNW and not so much with the ebay claim. The ebay claim is a great tag line to a point she was making. She did put the plane up for sale on ebay, and they did sell it (just not via ebay since the bids weren't high enough). Regardless as to how the transaction was completed, it still makes/validates her point.

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Had she not used it as a reason to vote for her it would have been flip-flopping

So she's a misrepresenter then, or better yet, a selective representer... still not a liar.

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Oh. Sorry. It must have been your saying stupid people say shes lying when I said she was lying that confused me.

Sorry about that, I was just trying ot keep my post in a similar format/style to your own. No malice intended.

[shetuck]

WSJ: Palin's Style Sparks Buying Frenzy

Palin's Style Sparks Buying Frenzy, And Fashion Firms Rush to Cash In

Wig Sellers Capitalize on Upswept Hairdo;
Naughty Monkey's Red Heels Get a Lift

By ELLEN BYRON, JENNIFER SARANOW and RACHEL DODES
September 12, 2008; Page A1

Fashion companies have discovered a lucrative new marketing vehicle: Sarah Palin.

Since John McCain chose her last month as his running mate, Gov. Palin's personal style has sparked a buying frenzy. Many women are snapping up her choices of shoes and eyeglasses and blogging about which brand of lipstick she wears. Hairstylists and wig sellers report sudden demand for her trademark up-dos. Indeed, the brands behind Gov. Palin's fashion taste have gone into overdrive seeking to cash in on the association.

On Wednesday, WigSalon.com issued a news release boasting that it has wigs and hair pieces "that reflect the new looks made popular by Sarah Palin," along with style tips to "instantly" achieve the swept-back style.

"Obviously we're going to get a jump from this," says Joe Aronesty, owner of WigSalon.com. In the past week, the company has sold about 25 Palin-esque wigs, ranging in price from $100 to the "Bargain Sarah Palin" wig for $46. "And it's not even close to Halloween," Mr. Aronesty says. Early next week, Mr. Aronesty plans to send a newsletter to his 25,000 subscribers highlighting Palin wig options and styling tips.

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[Steve19]

Originally Posted by Best Buckeye

If we had to go to war would you rather be led by someone who is experienced in it or by someone who has never even been in the military?

There is a considerable evidence that the organizations most likely to fail are those that have been successful in the past. If you don't believe researchers, then it's a simple matter to look at the Fortune 500 firms at five year periods over the last three or four decades: the severe reversals or disappearance of many of the leading firms from thirty years ago is a sobering thing to witness.

Why do winning organizations fail? Research shows that it is because they continue to do the things that made them successful in the past, even though the context in which they now operate has changed.

Governments are no different than other organizations and their leaders can produce the same results. Look at what the lack of visionary leadership has done to Japan. Look at the resurgence of the French under this new leader. It's a different race in which we now run in the world and our image has been badly tarnished since the cowardly attack of 9/11 and our response since.

As I try to make up my mind about voting, I remember statements made by John McCain concerning the Iraq War, as an avid supporter of it before and since it began. "They'll receive us with open arms." "Oil will pay for the war." On repeated occasions, even after it was clear that things were tough, he asserted that we were winning and would have the war won in six months to a year. If he is so knowledgeable, then I wonder why he argued that Obama was wrong, and that we needed to be in Iraq much longer and then reversed himself.

Some voters seem troubled that Obama took so long to say that the surge had worked. I am amazed that there is not more concern that his opponent misrepresents the surge as the cause of success, when the real success has come by buying off the Sunni insurgent militias that were its cause. I might add that, when it comes time to incorporate those militias into the military next year, all bets are off of the stability of the government we leave behind.

I will not denigrate a fellow veteran. I deeply respect his service as a POW. However, that is not what this election is about. There are many veterans who have equal or better service records.

What we need is a someone who understands the dynamics of a world in which political power cannot be exercised as it once was but rather must be exercised through coalitions. We need someone who inspires confidence in the USA from outside the country. That person must possess the ability to undo the harm to the American image abroad and rally the people within foreign countries to lobby their own leaders to cooperate with us. Being the lone cowboy is no longer effective and it is too expensive for a country riddled with government and consumer debt at all time highs.

So much troubles me about both candidates. On the side of McCain and his judgement, I am having difficulty understanding how a woman, who has run a government half the size of Columbus, Ohio for less than two years, can even remotely be considered capable of assuming the presidency if the oldest candidate to ever assume this office should be elected and not be able to serve out his term due to health issues. Can anyone really suggest that her immediate popularity is the subject of any real evaluation of her as a potential vice president or potential president, God forbid something happens to McCain? Can anyone really say that, in choosing her, McCain has put the needs of the country before his own ambitions?

So, my answer is, I don't think McCain's service in the military provides any evidence that he understands how to use it in the future. His statements since are what I am trying to weigh up.

[jimotis4heisman]

steve do you vote in us elections?

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

steve do you vote in us elections?

Yes. American citizens overseas can vote in the Presidential elections. I'm not sure about folks who are dual citizens but I am not a dual citizen.

[Tresselbeliever]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Some voters seem troubled that Obama took so long to say that the surge had worked. I am amazed that there is not more concern that his opponent misrepresents the surge as the cause of success, when the real success has come by buying off the Sunni insurgent militias that were its cause. I might add that, when it comes time to incorporate those militias into the military next year, all bets are off of the stability of the government we leave behind.

I will not denigrate a fellow veteran. I deeply respect his service as a POW. However, that is not what this election is about. There are many veterans who have equal or better service records.

What we need is a someone who understands the dynamics of a world in which political power cannot be exercised as it once was but rather must be exercised through coalitions. We need someone who inspires confidence in the USA from outside the country. That person must possess the ability to undo the harm to the American image abroad and rally the people within foreign countries to lobby their own leaders to cooperate with us. Being the lone cowboy is no longer effective and it is too expensive for a country riddled with government and consumer debt at all time highs.

So much troubles me about both candidates. On the side of McCain and his judgement, I am having difficulty understanding how a woman, who has run a government half the size of Columbus, Ohio for less than two years, can even remotely be considered capable of assuming the presidency if the oldest candidate to ever assume this office should be elected and not be able to serve out his term due to health issues. Can anyone really suggest that her immediate popularity is the subject of any real evaluation of her as a potential vice president or potential president, God forbid something happens to McCain? Can anyone really say that, in choosing her, McCain has put the needs of the country before his own ambitions?

So, my answer is, I don't think McCain's service in the military provides any evidence that he understands how to use it in the future. His statements since are what I am trying to weigh up.

Thank you, Steve. I've raised those points in the past but it's obvious that you are much more eloquent. The 'surge', albeit a much needed one, was a temporary tactical measure that has as much impact on the final outcome as stuffing a towel over a bullet wound. In the big scheme of things, 20k combat troops, or even 50k combat troops, would not have decreased the level of violence as much as it did. I mean we are not talking about some magical boiling point where one additional degree would cause liquid to vaporize. The impact of the marginal commitment in troops, on the contrary, works in a more linear fashion. But again, anything that can be used to score political points will be used to score political points. That's just how it is. Wait until the revisionists start writing the textbooks.

Having plentiful of experience is not a bad thing in itself. What worries me is that McCain's vp pick indicates an inherit political weakness from his positions that may be a sign of where his administration would go down the road. If he can't pick his vp, then how can we trust that he can formulate his own agenda?

[Steve19]

I wasn't trying to lobby for or against a candidate. My point was in response to the notion that McCain's service in the military implies that he can lead the US and the world (and that may not have been BestBuckeye's point--I don't want to disrespect anyone or their views here either).

I still want to see these guys debate a few times. I want to get past all the heuristics and see exactly what these candidates want to do and make a decision about who I want to support.

[Folanator]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

steve do you vote in us elections?

Nice thought process Steve. Very reasonable argument. Nice job.

[fourteenandoh]

gator, what's the story with obama and (i believe) biden voting against redirecting the funds from the bridge to nowhere to repairing NO after Katrina? I'm sure they had their reasons.

also, about comparing obama to christ and palin to pilot. the congressman who said this was a victim of a political smear during his most recent campaign. they said he was a jew and that he hated christians. if anyone should be a bit more tactful, it should be him. this stuff is bull[censored]!

the title, is not mine

YouTube - Rep. Steve Cohen, Scum of the earth,...

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by BrutuStrength

As to the "crucial related facts," I think your beef here is much more legitimate regarding TBTNW and not so much with the ebay claim. The ebay claim is a great tag line to a point she was making. She did put the plane up for sale on ebay, and they did sell it (just not via ebay since the bids weren't high enough). Regardless as to how the transaction was completed, it still makes/validates her point.


So she's a misrepresenter then, or better yet, a selective representer... still not a liar.

As to the ebay claim, certainly McCain was telling a fabrication about making a profit selling it on e-bay. I should have directed the comment about the jet to McCain rather than Palin. I thought the youtube thing made it clear that it was in part directed at Mac.

Sorry about that, I was just trying ot keep my post in a similar format/style to your own. No malice intended.

I can see how my acknowledgment that many smart people were for her for valid reasons and that nobody on BP was included in the stupid comment was a confusing style - no wait! I forget people quit reading at "stupid"

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by fourteenandoh

gator, what's the story with obama and (i believe) biden voting against redirecting the funds from the bridge to nowhere to repairing NO after Katrina? I'm sure they had their reasons.

Not sure. I can't find any support for that assertion, although bloggers and one paper claims it is so. Not saying it is not true, I just don't know the context. I saw where an amendment was defeated 83-15, but can't find the text of the amendment. I note it had no co-sponsors. Vitter voted for it, so that may be so. I dunno man. I guess if it is doomed to lose by sixty votes, and is a done deal, I have little beef with a vote for the amendment that is futile if it endangers his own projects. I mean, the real world is the real world. If it was 49-51 and the two dems voted against it I'd be [censored]ed. Last thing - they often add so many things in a bill that it is hard to say what you object to. You could have a problem with vaccine manufacturer immunity and not be against funding body armor in a bill, but have to vote against the latter (tho you support it )if you have a problem with the former.

I guess I need more context.

also, about comparing obama to christ and palin to pilot. the congressman who said this was a victim of a political smear during his most recent campaign. they said he was a jew and that he hated christians. if anyone should be a bit more tactful, it should be him. this stuff is bull[censored]!

the title, is not mine

YouTube - Rep. Steve Cohen, Scum of the earth, compares Obama to Jesus

That was not my post 14.

[DGADBTWSOM]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

That was not my post 14.

The gif that was posted was mine, comparing Obama and Palin. It was a political cartoon I found on CNN that made me chuckle. In no way was my intent to say that Sarah Palin would kill Jesus, given the opportunity.

The part that made me laugh was it was the republicans, specifically Palin, who compare Obama, sarcastically, to Jesus. healing the sick etc...

No malice intended and I personally do not believe Obama is a diety of any sort. Good speaker though.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by DGADBTWSOM

The gif that was posted was mine, comparing Obama and Palin. It was a political cartoon I found on CNN that made me chuckle. In no way was my intent to say that Sarah Palin would kill Jesus, given the opportunity.

The part that made me laugh was it was the republicans, specifically Palin, who compare Obama, sarvastically, to Jesus. healing the sick etc...

No malice intended and I personally do not believe Obama is a diety of any sort. Good speaker though.

Judging from what some of my liberal co-workers say about Obama, calling him the Liberal Messiah isn't far off unfortunately....

The sad part is I think if the GOP had a stronger candidate this wouldn't be an election at this point. But that's not the objective conditions either, just a what if type scenario....

A touch of reality is needed sometimes though....

[NJ-Buckeye]

Is there anyone that would not want a cop fired who used a taser on his stepson just as a test?

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by NJ-Buckeye

Is there anyone that would not want a cop fired who used a taser on his stepson just as a test?

Not the point actually.