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Deficit of $1.4 Trillion Limits Democrats - WSJ.com

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WASHINGTON -- The Treasury said the U.S. ran its biggest budget deficit since World War II, a record that promises to complicate Democrats' efforts to enact their agenda.
The Treasury Department reported that the deficit for the 2009 fiscal year ended Sept. 30 came in at about $1.4 trillion, or about 10% of the U.S.'s gross domestic product.
From health care to economic recovery to the Afghanistan war, the government's gloomy fiscal condition is constraining Democrats. Deficits also are looming large as a political issue in the 2010 campaign, as voters fret about the long-term consequences of mounting debt.



"I don't think I've seen this level of concern since 1992, when Ross Perot said we need to look under the hood and fix the engine," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland said in an interview Friday. "Government, individuals and businesses are all looking at their debt loads and recalculating."
The Treasury said government receipts were down 16.6% in 2009, to $2.1 trillion, a result of the recession and stimulus tax breaks. Outlays rose more than 18% to $3.5 trillion, including $113 billion of stimulus outlays.
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it appears that moderate and new(er) dems are balking at some issues as the deficit issue is pushing back towards the front burner.
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Why does this article frame the deficit as if it is surprising to people?
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I think it pertains more to the size of the deficit and our ability as a nation to repay it.
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Why does this article frame the deficit as if it is surprising to people?
i dont think the average person realizes its about 1t larger than last year. and it hasnt gotten as much ink as some other issues.
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I think it pertains more to the size of the deficit and our ability as a nation to repay it.
Yeah, I see that too. But this number, or something close to it, has been out now for some time. So, and this is obviously my opinion, the article is either presenting it as if its new news, or repeating a story that's already known... Either way, it's helpful, I suppose, to get the freshest data out to interested readers, but its not really "news".
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i dont think the average person realizes its about 1t larger than last year. and it hasnt gotten as much ink as some other issues.

Last year meaning fall 2008?
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Last year meaning fall 2008?
last fiscal year.






(those 2009 numbers are overstated, its 1.4Tish)
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Right, but since the stimulus and as part of the health care discussions, the (potential) deficit has been all over the news...

Anyways, my only point was that the article was a little superfluous, since it really didn't provide much in the way of new news...

Not really an argument worth getting into...
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Right, but since the stimulus and as part of the health care discussions, the (potential) deficit has been all over the news...

Anyways, my only point was that the article was a little superfluous, since it really didn't provide much in the way of new news...

Not really an argument worth getting into...
other than the unofficial release of data from the treasury? its not the official final number, yet its from the govt. and in addition i agree with them that it is and continue to be interwoven with other political discussions (and spending appropriations)
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other than the unofficial release of data from the treasury? its not the official final number, yet its from the govt. and in addition i agree with them that it is and continue to be interwoven with other political discussions (and spending appropriations)
Yeah, basically.
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As Deficit Increases, Democrats Plan More Spending - WSJ.com
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The White House disclosed the other day that the fiscal 2009 budget deficit clocked in at $1.4 trillion, amid the usual promises to do something about it. Yet even as budget director Peter Orszag was speaking, House Democrats were moving on a dozen spending bills for fiscal 2010 that total 12.1% in more domestic discretionary increases.
Yes, 12.1%.
Remember, inflation is running close to zero, or 0.8%. The good news, if we can call it that, is that Senate Democrats only want to increase nondefense appropriations by 8% for 2010. Because these funding increases become part of the permanent baseline for future appropriations, the 2010 House budget bills would permanently raise annual outlays for discretionary programs by about $75 billion a year from now until, well, forever.
These spending hikes do not include the so-called mandatory spending programs like Medicare and Medicaid, which exploded by 9.8% and 24.7%, respectively, in the just-ended 2009 fiscal year. All of this largesse is also on top of the stimulus funding that agencies received in 2009. The budget for the Environmental Protection Agency rose 126%, the Department of Education budget 209% and energy programs 146%.



House Republicans on the Budget Committee added up the 2009 appropriations, the stimulus funding and 2010 budgets and found that federal agencies will, on average, receive a 57% increase in appropriated funds from 2008-2010. By contrast, real family incomes fell by 3.6% last year. There's no recession in Washington.
More broadly, the White House and the 111th Congress have already enacted or proposed $3.4 trillion of new spending through 2019 for things like the health-care plan, cap and tax, and the children's health bill passed earlier this year. Very little of this has been financed with offsetting spending cuts elsewhere in the budget.
Throughout the era of Republican rule in Washington, we scored GOP lawmakers for their overspending and earmarks—and so did Nancy Pelosi and other Congressional Democrats. So how do their records compare? From 2001-2008 the average annual increase in appropriations bills came in at 6.4%—or about double the rate of inflation. In this Congress spending is now growing six times faster than inflation.

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- If Congress can't stop itself from spending the nation into everlasting debt, give the controls to somebody else.
Who says?
A sizeable number of senators themselves.
An unpopular but must-pass vote next month to let the government borrow almost $1 trillion has nine Senate Democrats saying enough is enough. Since Congress and the president lack the will to tighten their belts, maybe a commission can put them on a diet.
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with the massive spending increases of the 111th, and the looming debt expansion vote next month it might get interesting. it wont be easy for some to vote to increase the debt ceiling.
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IRS says its ready to take on brave new world of tax cheats - Oct. 27, 2009


I suppose this is as good a place as any to put this.

I do think its kind of funny that the govt really thinks it will catch these people. The IRS will likely spend more money chasing them than they will collect. Here's a hint for you guys - if someone has 30-100 million in indentifiable assets, chances are they or the tax people who work for them are several orders of magnitude smarter than anyone working for the govt at the IRS.

Forget it guys. Stick to taxing the upper middle class. These people are ghosts......
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Decent piece on Larry Summers... Not sure if this warranted an Official thread or not...

December 2009: William D. Cohan on Larry Summers | vanityfair.com

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Endless Summers

Throughout his dazzling but controversial career - top World Bank economist, Treasury secretary, Harvard University president, and now head of the White House National Economic Council - Larry Summers has been his own worst enemy. As friends, colleagues, and Summers himself try to explain his reputation for arrogance, bullying, and insensitivity, the author learns about his more private battles, and why many believe he?s still the M.V.P. in any financial crisis.

By William D. Cohan
December 2009


Larry Summers is not an easy man to catch off guard. Behind his rumpled, jowly, professorial fa?ade hides the world?s shiniest gold-plated r?sum? and one of its fiercest intellects. No less an authority on presidential power than Henry Kissinger once told Tim Geithner, now the Treasury secretary, that Summers should have a permanent job at the White House, solely to sort out for the president - any president - the good ideas on economic policy from the dumb ones.

When Barack Obama was elected, many thought that Summers, who headed Treasury during the final 18 months of the Clinton administration, would find his way back to that post. But inside the Beltway, Summers's connections to New York hedge funds and his rocky tenure as the president of Harvard University, from 2001 to 2006, were of concern, and it was decided that Geithner, Summers's former colleague at Treasury and the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (a job he got in 2003 with Summers's help), would be more easily confirmed by the Senate. But since Geithner goes back some 10 years or more with Summers and seems to think five minutes with Summers is worth an hour of most other people's time, there is little evidence that Summers lacks for influence in his current post as director of the White House's National Economic Council.

Wedged into a faded-yellow upholstered wingback chair in his cramped White House office - two short flights of steps above the Oval Office - Summers is not yet, just before noon, in full pontification mode, even though he's been up for hours and is fully caffeinated. His ubiquitous can of Diet Coke is perched an arm?s length away, on the edge of his desk behind his multiple computer screens. Two empties are scattered elsewhere. His kinetic, amped-up energy fills the small room, and, as usual, he has little time for the social niceties. Ask whether the odds favor the Boston Red Sox - in first place in the American League East on July 4 - to make the playoffs this season and he shoots his press attache, Matt Vogel, a withering look. The Great Oz has clearly expected a weightier question - about when the recession will end, or whether health-care reform will pass Congress. Indicating Vogel, he says, "He doesn't know what you're talking about. He doesn't know where this is coming from, I'll bet. You're referring to the teams that are ahead on July 4 normally winning the pennant, even when they have a relatively small margin, like the Red Sox do."

When Summers was a sixth-grader, at Penn Valley School, in Lower Merion, Pennsylvania, he spent part of his summer riffling through the microfilmed sports pages of old newspapers and magazines dating back to 1930, in order to determine if there was any correlation between where a team was in the standings on Independence Day and whether that team eventually made the playoffs. His parents - Robert and Anita, then economics professors at, respectively, the University of Pennsylvania and Bryn Mawr College - had encouraged him in his quirky mission and helped him calculate the odds. As the Vietnam War was heating up in October 1965, the Philadelphia Bulletin described Summers as "the most qualified 11-year-old odds maker" in baseball...
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Whatever your political views, you have to agree that a couple of the worst fiscal policy decisions in recent memory relate to the hiring of the current head football coaches at the Universities of Notre Dame and Michigan.
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